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2018-03-19 17:48:51 来源：CCTV5在线直播
Ben Simmons on comparisons between him and Donovan Mitchell: “We’re two different players you know, he’s a scorer and I’m a, you know, scorer, rebound, pass guy.”
本-西蒙斯谈到自己与多诺万-米切尔的比较时：“我们是两种类型的球员，你知道的他就是个得分手，而我，你知道的，得分手+篮板手+传球手。”
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[–][UTA] Kyle Korverwartortle87 399 指標 2 天前
Is this an old video or is he just repeating the exact statement he made in January that was posted here?
爵士球迷：这是个老视频还是这家伙又把一月份他说过的话重复了一遍？
[–]76ersiFartBubbles 444 指標 2 天前
Old video to drum up arguments
76人球迷：我猜应该是用来炒作的老视频。
[–]Warriorstalanted_o 821 指標 2 天前
just going to drop this here for fun.
我先来搞张照片给大家找点乐子——没错就是女装大佬版本西蒙斯！
[–]76ersHelreaver 129 指標 2 天前
What the fuck.
你TM在干嘛！
[–]76ersxjcs97sy 360 指標 2 天前
I still wanna fuck him
你还别说，我还挺想上她的。
[–]CavaliersIMPERIALteig 234 指標 2 天前
Pause
Emmmm……少儿不宜了哈，快停车！
[–]CelticsDanzeyy 160 指標 2 天前
Rewind
停啥车！别停，一直开！
[–][HOU] Chris PaulYaboiVane 160 指標 2 天前
Play
HIGH起来！
[–][HOU] Chris PaulYaboiVane 280 指標 2 天前
I still wanna fuck him
别问我为什么就是停不下来，我也想上她。
[–][UTA] John StocktonDVN333 179 指標 2 天前
You set up your own punchline.. Shame on you
楼上的老哥你暴露了你的底线……该为此感到羞耻。
[–]Raptors6GodInTraining 1400 指標 2 天前
LeBron James on comparisons between him and Michael Jordan: “We’re two different players you know, he’s a scorer and I’m a, you know, scorer, rebound, pass guy.”
猛龙球迷：勒布朗-詹姆斯谈及自己与迈克尔-乔丹之间的比较时说：“我们是两个完全不一样的球员，你知道的，他就是个得分手，而我是一个得分、传球、篮板手。”
[–]76ersTheSameAsDying 314 指標 2 天前
That's totally valid though. Jordan was a scorer with a great all-around game, LeBron is an all-around player who's great at finding his spots.
76人球迷：这话没啥毛病，乔丹是一个超强的得分手，其他方面也不错，勒布朗是一个非常全面的球员，他很擅长找到自己的定位以及找出空位。
[–]RaptorsToronto416ix 446 指標 2 天前
Are we really going to do this right now? Ever heard of all defensive team?
又要开始乔丹和詹姆斯的比较了嘛？你数过乔丹最佳防守阵容的次数吗？
[–]HeatMorrocanMandingo 100 指標 2 天前
I’ll never understand how fuckin Kobe got 9 all defensive first teams. He was a great defender for a while but god damn was like half of that based on reputation.
我到现在都搞不懂为什么科比能九进最佳防守第一阵容，他是一个很好的防守者但是九次也太扯了，半数应该是靠他的名声进的吧。
[–]LakersSeltzz 404 指標 2 天前
Have you ever seen Kobe play lockdown on someone? Shit could make panties drop.
湖人球迷：你见过科比一对一锁死别人的场景嘛？他能把对面的屎都防出来。
[–]KnicksFoundmybeach 221 指標 2 天前
Dude locked down LeBron in the All Star game like dead in the middle of LeBrons prime, at the end of his own career
你还记得全明星赛他防死勒布朗-詹姆斯的场景嘛？要知道那个时候詹姆斯还是生涯巅峰而他已经日薄西山了。
[–]San Diego Clippersthisistheusername105 206 指標 2 天前
I watched this, and it was amazing, but I do take some issue with using any ASG performances to make judgment calls about any part of a player's legacy. Just my .02
那场比赛我看过，这很令人感到不可思议，但是我觉得用一场比赛的表现来评价一个人的职业生涯是不公平的，这就是我的个人观点，不喜勿喷。
[–]LakersGengo0708 139 指標 2 天前
Can't tell if you're trolling or ignorant. 9x all defensive first team + 3 years second team all defense. That's 12 years - well within Kobe's prime. None of them came after 2011 when he was 'older'.
湖人球迷：别BB了，我就是忍不了别人这么说科比，9年最佳防守阵容＋3年防守二阵，足足十二年——这就是科比的巅峰，他自从2012年大伤之后才没能入选防守阵容的。
[–]jayjayzz6677 8 指標 2 天前
Omg I miss Kobe
别说了，我想科比了。
[–]Cavaliersswagzer 58 指標 2 天前
MJ was actually a decent rebounder and passer though.
MJ在篮板和传球上也很不错的好么？
[–][BOS] Jayson TatumMrMojo18 105 指標 2 天前
decent?
He averaged 32 8 8 for a season.
就还不错？乔丹场均能32＋8＋8呢！
[–]CelticsBipolarConfidence 90 指標 2 天前
MJ was also a fucking great point guard, but didn't play that position because he didn't like it.
没看过球？乔丹也打过控卫而且打的很不错好么？他不打只是因为他不喜欢打这个位置罢了。
[–]JazzRyelen 234 指標 2 天前
I love both these rooks and that was hilarious, he probably should of put defense in there as well.
爵士球迷：你还别说，他们两个我都挺喜欢的，在评价西蒙斯时应该把他的防守表现也加上。
[–]76ersMotorQuantity 156 指標 2 天前
When they're both in their primes, you should loan us Mitchell for a year to win a championship and we'll loan Simmons to you for the next year to get a championship there.
76人球迷：假设这二人都处于生涯巅峰的话，我觉得你们应该把米切尔租给我们一年帮助我们赢得总冠军，然后我们在把西蒙斯借给你们去赢总冠军，这样就双赢了。
[–]JazzRyelen 61 指標 2 天前
I like this idea.
爵士球迷：我喜欢这个主意。
[–]JazzTamponSmoothie 135 指標 2 天前
I wouldn't be mad if Simmons won ROTY, of course Simmons good. If Simmons becomes the next Magic Johnson and Mitchell becomes the next Kobe then I'll be down with that.
ROTY or not as a small-market Jazz fan i'm just happy we have a player that's even in the talks for contending for ROTY, last thing I thought before the season begun..
爵士球迷：如果西蒙斯赢了最佳新秀这个奖项我也不会生气，因为西蒙斯真的很棒，如果西蒙斯能够成为下一个魔术师约翰逊然后米切尔成了下一个科比我会非常开心的。
[–]Spursmdivan 66 指標 2 天前
This. I mean everyone knew simmons was something special but no one expected this much from donovan, you guys won fucking jackpot and who gives a fuck about ROTY, kobe didn't won ROTY, a lot of great players didn't.. in the end of the day I think that we have very special talent in simmons and mitchel and everyone should be happy. I know I'm happy for yazz cause you have great organization and deserved such luck.
Emmm，我觉得吧每个人都知道西蒙斯很特殊，但是没有人会对米切尔有太高的期望，你们已经走大运了，何必纠结于最佳新秀呢，科比没能赢得最佳新秀，很多伟大的球员也没能赢得最佳新秀，我就是觉得西蒙斯和米切尔都拥有者非常特殊的才能，每个人都应该为此开心才对，我为爵士开心，你们有着很棒的组织并且值得这份运气。
[–]JazzomgilovePopScience 68 指標 2 天前
The jazz also don't have an offense that sets up guards to have many assists, hence Rubio playing amazing yet average far less assists than in Minnesota
爵士球迷：我爵尽管进攻需要依赖后卫发动，但是并不需要太多的助攻，这也是为什么卢比奥打得很出色但是助攻数依然比他在森林狼少的原因。
[–]76ersBirdRights 57 指標 2 天前
Mitchell is a better playmaker than his numbers suggest, but i also think it's fair to say Simmons is on a whole other level in that aspect of the game without it being a knock on Mitchell.
the only rookie PG i can remember running a team this well and put up these numbers is CP3. before him it was probably Kidd. and before that, Magic.
just sucks that people are so eager to point out the flaws in both players' game. at this point i would be happy if they split the award if it meant everyone would stop
76人球迷：米切尔是一个比数据看上去更强的控球者，但是西蒙斯要比这更强，当然这不是批评米切尔，我觉得上一个能把球队进攻梳理得仅仅有条并且打出这样的数据的新秀只有保罗了，在此之前可能是基德，再往前或许是魔术师约翰逊。
大家现在都想挑出这些球员的缺点这挺令人讨厌的，这个时候如果能共享最佳新秀并且堵住这些人的嘴的话，我觉得我会很高兴。
[–]PelicansBobyus 62 指標 2 天前*
Fans in /r/nba and in general seem to be biased against Shooting Guards because they base everything on stat sheets. Often using arguments such as "but X is a better passer and rebounder".
Name one Shooting Guard in history with huge passing and rebounding numbers. It's not what the role is about. SG's aren't there to create play and rebound the ball, they are there to shoot and score. It's what they do.
Just because they don't have big numbers besides points doesn't make them bad at it
NBA的粉丝们是不是对得分后卫这个位置有偏见？所有的东西都基于数据来讲话，总是用“但是X是一个更好的传球者和篮板手。”来打击得分后卫。
看看青史留名的得分后卫哪个传球还有篮板都是一把抓的？这不是他们的职责，得分后卫不负责创造进攻机会以及抢篮板，他们只需要投篮并且得分，这就是他们要做的事情。
除了得分其他都不好并不能说明这个后卫不行。
[–]KnicksRUBEN4iK 257 指標 2 天前
"Scorer"
嘻嘻，西蒙斯说他是一个得分手。
[–][PHI] Markelle FultzJoelEmbeast 187 指標 2 天前
Compared to most rookies he's a pretty good scorer. He's the 2nd best scorer in this rookie class undoubtedly.
76人球迷：Emmmm，相较于其他新秀他是一个不错的得分手，他是这届新秀里得分排第二的人。
[–][HOU] Sleepy FloydJimHarden 48 指標 2 天前
How is what he said wrong? He can score pass and rebound. I don't see this as shade towards Mitchell. I'm sure Simmons would acknowledge that Mitchell is a better score
他没说错啊，他确实可以传球和抢篮板，我不觉得他在贬低米切尔，我确定西蒙斯也会承认米切尔是一个更好的得分手。
[–]fvertk 222 指標 2 天前
The idea that Mitchell is just a "scorer" is kind of a petty insult to Mitchell's game. He's not just a scorer. Look at Mitchell's recent numbers, he's averaging around 5RPG and 5APG lately. This guy can rebound like this pretty much anytime he wants. He's making passes like this. And hell, he was KNOWN as a strong defender coming out of the draft.
This narrative is happening based off averages. Mitchell has Gobert/Favors getting rebounds and Rubio being the playmaker. Also, factor into it that even RUBIO's assist numbers have dipped due to the Jazz college team "everyone touches the ball" offense.
If Mitchell isn't a "rebounder" or "passer" just because he averages less than Simmons, I don't think Simmons can call himself a "scorer" by his own logic.
将米切尔视为纯得分手并不公正，他们也一定没看过球，他不仅仅是一个得分手，看看米切尔最近的数据，他几乎要场均5篮板5助攻了，这家伙想抢篮板就能抢到，想助攻也没啥问题，要知道他在选秀之前就是以防守健将著称的。
关于最佳新秀的比较总是围绕统计数据进行的，米切尔周围有戈贝尔以及费沃斯抢篮板，卢比奥是一个控球手，这些因素加在一起肯定让他的数据吃亏啊，要知道爵士打着堪比大学的进攻体系，“每个人都要触球”的进攻体系不是也让卢比奥的助攻数据下降了嘛？
如果只是因为米切尔的篮板和助攻数据低于西蒙斯就说他相较于西蒙斯不是一个好的篮板手和助攻者的话，那么按照西蒙斯的逻辑，他也不能算一个得分手。
[–]WestbrookRapedMe 234 指標 2 天前*
Simmons is clearly better at everything except shooting
西蒙斯肯定是一个更好的球员吧，除了投篮。
[–]LakersDeadToWrites 155 指標 2 天前
Shooting and scoring in general.
投射和得分吧。
[–][TOR] OG AnunobyDascewlm8 83 指標 2 天前
The two least important things in today's nba
这两个东西不是现在NBA最重要的东西吗？
[–]Jazzjar_jar_blink 80 指標 2 天前
This is dumb. They're both great players. They have different responsibilities on their respective teams. But Mitchell is certainly not a slouch when it comes to rebounding or passing. Anybody who says that is not watching him.
爵士球迷：别这么比较他们了，这很蠢，他们都是很棒的球员，他们在彼此的球队里有着不同的职责，但是米切尔也绝对不是不传球或者不抢篮板，说他不抢篮板以及不传球的一定没看过他打球。
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