【键盘侠】字母哥是否已超AD|字母哥很有机会成为联盟第一人？
2019-03-09 21:40:35 来源：CCTV5在线直播
Has Giannis surpassed Anthony Davis?
Before the season most people had AD above Giannis. However, this year, Giannis will either win MVP or be the runner up while leading the first place Bucks. Davis, on the other hand, all but quit on his team less than halfway through the year. That said, has Giannis passed AD?
字母哥是否已经超越安东尼-戴维斯？
在这个赛季之前，大多数把戴维斯排在字母哥之上。然而这个赛季呢，率领雄鹿高居第一的字母哥要么会赢得MVP，要么也是次席。再看看戴维斯，赛季还没进行到一半就闹着要离队。基于此，是不是说字母哥已经超越了戴维斯呢？
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[–]sszivos 12 points 12 hours ago
I do believe so, yes. Even if they are evenly matched at this point, Giannis can at least stay on the court. AD seems to get injured once every month
我确实是这么认为的，字母哥已经超越了戴维斯。哪怕两人的球队现在这时候碰面，字母哥至少还能待在场上，而戴维斯貌似每个月都要受伤一次。
[–]Supersonics Scizzurp 1079 points 12 hours ago*
He has to me since last year. Like I have always said their talent are close but Giannis is a wing player. They just are more vital on their own in today league than bigs.
almost everything runs thru Giannis on offense, him creating for himself or others and he can play a pseudo big on defense.
超音速球迷：我觉得字母哥上赛季就超越戴维斯了。我一直都觉得，他俩的天赋很接近，但是字母哥是一个侧翼球员。在如今的联盟中，这类球员在自身球队所扮演的角色比大个子更重要。
[–]Heat wormhole222 414 points 12 hours ago
This is the best way to describe it. It's possible AD has more talent than Giannis, but impact wise Giannis has clearly left AD behind.
热火球迷：这么形容是最好的。或许戴维斯的天赋强于字母哥，可是字母哥对比赛的影响力明显比戴维斯大。
[–]Warriors typesett[] 21 points 6 hours ago
AD without a skilled point guard type player is not very good. Giannis by himself can be very good. A decent PG for both IMO still means Giannis comes out the better player. Having said that, we are talking about who's better of a top 5 player.
勇士球迷：没有一个技术纯熟的控卫打辅助，戴维斯就没那么出色了。而字母哥仅靠自己就可以打得很好。我觉得，要是两人都有一个不错的控卫搭档，字母哥的表现还是要强于戴维斯。这么说吧，咱们谈论的可是一个比联盟前五球员还厉害的球员。
[–]495969302043 45 points 4 hours ago
A skilled point guard like Jrue Holiday?
你是说像霍乐迪这样技术娴熟的控卫吗？
[–]Bucks mastersergeant98 15 points 4 hours ago
See but apparently even that's not enough for him.
雄鹿球迷：我懂，可即便是霍乐迪这种球员对戴维斯来说也不够啊。
[–]Warriors manisier 12 points 4 hours ago
Jrue was the Pelicans' best player against the Blazers last season lmao
勇士球迷：上赛季鹈鹕对阵开拓者的季后赛中，霍乐迪可是表现最好的球员啊，哈哈哈
[–]Pelicans neutrinbro 13 points 4 hours ago
I think Giannis is better too, but saying that AD is 'not very good' without a skilled point guard type player is pretty crazy. I don't know what your baseline for 'skilled PG' would be, but ADs 3rd and 4th year in the league, Jrue played less than half the season and we had Norris Cole or Austin Rivers playing point and AD still averaged 24/10/2.5 over those seasons. He's very good all the time, but not being a wing limits him compared to Giannis.
鹈鹕球迷：我也觉得字母哥更厉害，可是说他没有一个好控卫做帮手就“没那么出色”，这种论调真的扯。我不知道你对“技术娴熟的控卫”的定义是怎样的，不过戴维斯在联盟的第三和第四个赛季，霍乐迪只打了不到半个赛季，我们当时的控卫是诺里斯-科尔或者小里弗斯，戴维斯那两个赛季的场均仍然是24+10+2.5.他一直都很出色，只是比起字母哥的话，没有打侧翼有所限制。
[–]Cavaliers DeanBlandino 13 points 7 hours ago
AD for sure doesn’t impact the game as much. He’s also injured all the fucking time.
骑士球迷：戴维斯对比赛的影响力肯定是没有字母哥大的。而且他尼玛不停受伤啊。
[–]Lakers AirBall02 44 points 7 hours ago
Giannis has that rare ultra-competitive gene that you can not teach. The same kind that Kobe and MJ have.
湖人球迷：字母哥具备那种罕见的高于常人的竞争基因，这是没法教会的。科比和乔丹才有这种基因。
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[–][DAL] Luka Doncic Osiris47 527 points 10 hours ago
Giannis this year is dumpstering people down low like nobody since Prime Shaq has. He obviously doesn't have the sheer bulk Shaq did, but his speed and length is almost genuinely unguardable.
I think he's beyond AD at this point, especially if his 3 keeps developing like it is.
独行侠球迷：这个赛季的字母哥对对手简直是碾压，自从巅峰期的奥尼尔过后也就他了。很显然，他没有奥尼尔那么庞大的身躯，可是他的速度和臂展几乎是对手防不住的。我觉得现在这个阶段他强于戴维斯，如果那继续提升三分投射的话，那更是如此了。
[–]Mavericks MDMKVII 58 points 8 hours ago
I swear every Bucks game I watch, Giannis starts his gather step at some point on the floor way too far from the bucket and I think to myself "he can't actually reach the basket from there in two steps."
Effortless dunk every time.
独行侠球迷：我发誓我看了雄鹿的每场比赛，字母哥在场上迈着他的收球步启动时往往离篮筐还很远，我心想“他不可能只用两步就从那儿跨到篮下。”
可他每次都以不费力的扣篮收尾。
[–]Bucks MindOfGregJennings 33 points 7 hours ago
I still haven't gotten used to it. My personal favorite is when he posts up and pickups up his dribble and I think he's going to have to shoot a fade away but then he pivots towards the basket and reaches over a guy to dunk it.
雄鹿球迷：我都没习惯他这种操作。我个人最喜欢的画面是，当他低位背身和运球后拿球要起时，我以为他会来一个后仰，可他却是重心前倾，隔着人往框里砸。
[–]Celtics osmlol 23 points 7 hours ago
TBH in today's NBA he doesn't need the bulk Shaq had. Shaq was facing big boy centers. Modern NBA has only a few big boy centers. Most of them are slimmer now and better shooters.
凯尔特人球迷：说实话，在如今的NBA，字母哥不需要具备奥尼尔那么庞大的身躯，毕竟奥尼尔当年要面对的都是大中锋。如今联盟里大个中锋不多，现在的很多内线更瘦弱，投篮更好。
[–][NOP] Jrue Holiday TobyQueef69 262 points 9 hours ago
Giannis is out there looking like a 2k MyCareer player who can literally just drive to the basket and dunk it whenever he wants
鹈鹕球迷：场上的字母哥看着就像是2K生涯模式的球员，只要他想，他就能带球杀篮下完成暴扣。
[–]VapidNonsense 84 points 8 hours ago
Watching him play reminds me of Jordan in 2k12.
看他打球让我想起了2K12的乔丹。
[–]Mavericks DirkNowitzkisWife 30 points 7 hours ago
He’s shooting 38% from three his past 20 games or so. If Giannis can get to the conference finals and show out in the playoffs, I think a guy who averages 27/13/6 on 63% true shooting and all defense level defense may be a top 1 player in the league.
独行侠球迷：过去大概20场比赛他三分线外的命中率是38%。如果字母哥能率队打进分区决赛，并且在季后赛里打出身价，我觉得这么一个场均27+13+6，真实命中率63%，而且有着顶尖防守能力的球员或许是联盟第一人。
[–]Warriors tossinkittens 13 points 6 hours ago
Considering he's shooting 24% from three for the season, he must've had an utterly abysmal first 45 games.
勇士球迷：他这个赛季的三分命中率是24%，这说明他之前45场比赛的三分惨不忍睹啊。
[–]Mavericks DirkNowitzkisWife 18 points 6 hours ago
There was a time he was at like 12% but it didn’t matter because he was shooting like 2 a game and shooting 77% at the rim for the season. He’s shooting 63.6% from 2 and no one knows how to stop him.5，
独行侠球迷：他的三分命中率一度只有12%，不过不重要，因为他每场出手大概2次，整个赛季77%的出手都是篮下，而且他的两分球命中率是63.6，没人知道如何阻止他。
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[–]Kekukoka 66 points 12 hours ago
Yes, the biggest thing is just effort. AD legitimately looks like he could give you 35/15/5 if he wanted to, but half-asses the majority of his minutes in every game.
是的，最大的不同在于二人的努力。戴维斯这种球员，你感觉只要他想，他就能打出35+15+5的数据，但是他每场比赛的大部分时间都是划水。
[–]ihaditsoeasy 64 points 10 hours ago
I mean even this season he's averaging 26.8/12.3/4. I know we are supposed to hate him now but the dude is a beast. I honestly think that if you replace Giannis with AD on the current Bucks they would still be a dominant team.
我觉得吧，哪怕是这个赛季，戴维斯的数据也有26.8+12.3+4啊。我知道我们现在应该喷他，可是这哥们儿是个野兽啊。说实话，我觉得要是你用他去替换字母哥，那雄鹿依然会是一支很有统治力的球队。
[–]Celtics sahsan10 24 points 10 hours ago
A good team yes, but nah I don’t see the bucks being top 2 record good with Davis instead.
凯尔特人球迷：那会是一支好球队，没错，可是我不觉得要是用戴维斯换掉字母哥，雄鹿的战绩能进联盟前二。
[–]ihaditsoeasy 17 points 10 hours ago
I'm not sure. Stats wise they are pretty close and Davis isn't playing with motivation or within a system as good as Bud's.
我不确定。就看数据的话，他俩很接近。而且戴维斯打球的动力不足，他所处的球队体系也比不上雄鹿的。
[–]NBA fuckyouraesthetic 38 points 9 hours ago
Giannis's superior playmaking is much more valuable than ADs rim protection.
字母哥在组织能力上的高人一等可要比戴维斯出色的护框能力重要得多。
[–]Pelicans Good_NewsEveryone 284 points 12 hours ago*
Mostly because of mindset. Giannis is just willing to do the little stuff and dirty work consistently that's necessary.
To be more, specific I don't think AD is really below average in terms of focus / willingness to do that kind of stuff; Giannis is just really high on that.
鹈鹕球迷：大部分还是因为两人的意识差异。字母哥就愿意不断地干那种球队需要他去做的脏活累活。
说得更明白点，就做这类工作的专注度和意愿来说，我不认为戴维斯的意愿是低于平均水准的，只是字母哥在这方面的意愿真的很高。
[–]Pelicans DowntownDeaux 126 points 12 hours ago
AD floats through games while Giannis tries to take over. If AD played with Giannis energy he would be clear cut better.
鹈鹕球迷：戴维斯划水的时候，字母哥却是争取接管比赛。如果戴维斯能打得像字母哥那样能量十足，那他明显会更强。
[–]Bucks The_Hot_Sauce_ 13 points 10 hours ago
In which way? Davis has never had as great of a season that Giannis is having now.
雄鹿球迷：你从哪方面看出的？戴维斯还从未打出过字母哥本赛季这么好的表现吧。
[–]Celtics k0ala_ 35 points 9 hours ago
I mean he was before the trade request started. 27/12/4 on 60% TS with 2.5 blocks a game
凯尔特人球迷：我觉得呢，在离队这出闹剧之前，戴维斯的场均可是27+12+4啊，真实命中率有60%，而且场均2.5帽。
[–]Pelicans Good_NewsEveryone 84 points 12 hours ago
I think AD's energy level is not atypical for players like him. And we've seen him turn it on like he did on the back half of last year. But Giannis has played this entire season at that level. It's a consistency thing to me.
鹈鹕球迷：我觉得对于戴维斯这类球员来说，戴维斯自身的球场活力有些不正常。上赛季背靠背比赛的时候我们看过他打得很亢奋，可是字母哥这个赛季一直都很有活力啊，我觉得这是持久力的问题。
[–]Pelicans DowntownDeaux 47 points 12 hours ago*
I agree he likes winning more than he hates losing. Guys who hate losing brings it every night.
鹈鹕球迷：我同意，比起对输球的憎恶，戴维斯对赢球的喜悦更多。往往是那些更憎恶失败的人才会每场都打得很拼。
[–][BKN] Markel Brown laboratory_koala 19 points 7 hours ago
Best way to put it. You need the absolute hatred of failure to hit the highest peak consistently over a long career.
Interestingly, I think LeBron WAS someone who loved winning more than hated losing... Then the heat/mavs finals happened. Changed him fundamentally, and I think without it he never truly challenges Jordan for GOAT (and he's still not quite there IMO, but thats a debate for another time)
篮网球迷：你这么说是最合理的。你必须要具备那种对失败的绝对憎恶，才能达到生涯巅峰，并将这种状态长期维持下去。
有意思的是，我觉得詹姆斯以前就是那种更在乎赢球快感的球员……然后出现了热火和独行侠的总决赛。那次失利从根本上改变了詹姆斯的想法，我觉得要是没有那年总决赛的失利，他绝不会真正和乔丹去竞争史上最佳。
[–]Pelicans DowntownDeaux 9 points 7 hours ago
I agree that Heat/Mavs series mAde Lebron an animal. I thinks it’s beca he never experienced and defeat like that before and never wanted to deal with it again.
鹈鹕球迷：我同意，是热火和独行侠的那轮总决赛将詹姆斯打造成了一支野兽。我觉得是因为他之前从未经历过那种失利，从未想过自己要再次面对这种局面。
[–][OKC] Russell Westbrook EggYinz 20 points 9 hours ago
I'm guessing with LeBron missing the playoffs and Giannis winning mvp I'm guessing there will be a bunch of "Giannis is the new best player in the NBA" articles this summer
雷霆球迷：我觉得，如今詹姆斯都无缘季后赛了，字母哥要是拿下MVP的话，我猜夏天会有一大堆文章说“字母哥是联盟新晋第一人”。
[–]Timberwolves PFhelpmePlan 10 points 8 hours ago
Hard to argue that they're wrong if the Bucks make a deep playoff run.
森林狼球迷：如果雄鹿在季后赛走得很远的话，那你都没法反驳。
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[–]Spurs Texszn 29 points 12 hours ago
Since last year, yes.
马刺球迷：从上赛季开始字母哥就超了。
[–]Hawks HoodwinkedBamboozled 104 points 12 hours ago
Not even a discussion anymore
老鹰球迷：都不需要讨论了。
[–]Pistons waman2k7 66 points 12 hours ago
Without a doubt. Guy is only gonna get better to, has a real shot to be the best of his generation.
活塞球迷：这是毫无疑问的，他只会越来越强，而且他真的很有机会成为他这代球员中的一哥。
[–]Raptors GentlemanHere 20 points 8 hours ago
too
猛龙球迷：我也这么觉得。
[–]Thomas MuellerGOAT 125 points 12 hours ago
absolutely
I know I will get downvoted but the recent stretch shows something I personally had already in mind since last year - ADs stats might be kinda empty
绝对的啊，我知道有人会踩我，不过近期的事情映证了我从上赛季就持有的观点——戴维斯的数据或许有点空砍。
[–]Knicks tmall11 175 points 12 hours ago
Yes. Always thought AD never took the next step that Giannis did this year
尼克斯球迷：是啊，我一直都觉得，戴维斯绝对没法取得像字母哥这个赛季这么大的进步。
[–][MIN] Kevin Garnett Pseudoineffectual 100 points 11 hours ago
Pelicans with AD off the floor: -2.9
Bucks with Giannis off the floor: +3.8
AD has a superior RPM and PER, an inferior coach, and is clearly better defensively (at least when locked in).
You thought that AD's stats were empty when he swept the third seed en route to the semifinals? Give me a break. The only argument that I see for Giannis is that he has healthy and competent teammates and a considerably better coach. He could surpass him, but I'll need more evidence than his team coincidentally doing well.
森林狼球迷：戴维斯下场时鹈鹕的正负值：-2.9
字母哥下场时雄鹿的正负值：+3.8
戴维斯的贡献值和个人效率值都更高，他的教练水平比不上布登霍尔泽，而且他的防守明显更好。
他可是率队横扫西部第三进入过西部季后赛半决赛的，你觉得他的数据是空砍？歇歇吧。
我觉得字母哥唯一能争辩的地方在于他的队友很健康而且很靠谱，他的教练也要厉害得多。他或许是超越了字母哥，但是你不能仅凭他的球队刚好表现也很好就来下此结论啊。
[–]Rockets Mikegetscalls 8 points 4 hours ago
He was avg 29 and 13 before the drama... what more is he supposed to do?
火箭球迷：戴维斯在离队闹剧之前场均29分13板……你们还想他怎么做？？
[–]Lakers FirmCattle 24 points 5 hours ago
yeah. but impact on the court is very different imo.
湖人球迷是，可是我觉得他俩在场上的影响力是有很大差别的。
[–]Pelicans nola_fan 24 points 5 hours ago
Up until this year the only difference between the Bucks and Pelicans is that the Bucks are in the East. It's hard to judge too much off of this year because the whole trade debacle, plus injuries really killed the pelicans, and who knows what would've happened in the pelicans had a coach as good as the Bucks.
鹈鹕球迷：这个赛季之前，他俩唯一的差别在于雄鹿和鹈鹕的差别，而且雄鹿还在东部。就凭这个赛季是不好去下结论的，因为整个交易事件让球队瓦解，伤病也确实毁了鹈鹕，而且啊，如果鹈鹕的教练也像布登霍尔泽那么厉害，那会是怎样呢。
[–]76ers thisdudefux 58 points 12 hours ago
Everyone has been waiting for AD to take that final step and has largely been bolstered up by a lot of "what if's" and empty stats on an unsuccessful team. Yes, hes a freak. Yes, he's talented. But Giannis is enforcing his will every night on the floor and makes his team more likely to win/continue winning
76人球迷：人人都在等着戴维斯走出最终的一大步，而且很多人都被大量的“如果”，和戴维斯在一支并不成功的球队的空砍数据搞高潮了。
是的，他是个怪物。是的，他很有天赋。可是，字母哥每场比赛都在场上展现自己强大的意志力，促使自己的球队尽可能持续地赢球。
[–]Delicious Squash 33 points 10 hours ago
Let’s be fair and take into account that the Bucks have put a much better synergistic team around him and they also have one of the best coaches in the NBA right now. AD swept a 3 seed in the playoffs last year and then unfortunately had to run into one of the greatest dynasties in NBA history.
咱们公平点，要知道雄鹿围绕字母哥打造的体系可是要强太多，而且他们的教练也是联盟顶尖的。戴维斯上赛季可是在季后赛中横扫西部第三的，只是后面不幸碰到了NBA史上最强王朝之一。
[–][CHI] Dennis Rodman DoobieHauserMC 18 points 6 hours ago
AD didn’t sweep the Blazers, the Pelicans did. Jrue and Rondo were huge for them
公牛球迷：横扫开拓者的不是戴维斯，是鹈鹕。当时霍乐迪和隆多是很关键的。
[–][LAL] Elgin Baylor WordsAreSomething 12 points 12 hours ago
I think it's kinda hard to judge because of their situations. Giannis' situation went from not great to great because the Bucks hired a great coach.
AD's situation went to other way, but a big part of that was his own doing.
If you're taking away that context then Giannis is clearly better this year
湖人球迷：我觉得他俩孰强孰弱有点难以取舍，因为境遇不同，就因为雄鹿找了个好教练，字母哥的境况从一般到出色。
戴维斯的境遇则是相反的，不过大部分都是靠他自己的努力。
如果你们不考虑这个背景的话，那么这个赛季的字母哥显然是更厉害的。
[–]Jazz Aerdith 11 points 12 hours ago
I don't think that is fair to Giannis. Coach Bud has transformed the team, but his hard work, leadership, and loyalty have allowed the Bucks to develop and grow along with him.
爵士球迷：我觉得你这么说对字母哥是不公平的。的确是布登霍尔泽改造了这支球队，不过正是有了字母哥的努力、领导力和忠诚，雄鹿才得以在他的陪伴下壮大起来。
[–]Lakers JesusH_Cox_MD 18 points 11 hours ago
Giannis is nowhere near being in his prime and already he's better and has bigger impact. We're not ready for what hes gonna become.
湖人球迷：字母哥现在远未达到个人巅峰，可他的实力和影响力已经强于戴维斯了。他以后会有多强大，我们都还没准备好。
[–]Lakers flaminglips 22 points 6 hours ago
AD is only a year older than Giannis and averaged 30pts/13reb just last year in the playoffs. People in this thread acting like AD is some washed up player past his prime.
湖人球迷：戴维斯才比字母哥大一岁而已啊，而且就在上赛季的季后赛里，他的场均可是30分13板啊。这个帖子里的人都搞得像戴维斯是那种巅峰期已过的过气球员一样。
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