【键盘侠】猛龙高管公开质疑安东尼-戴维斯|后者真的被高估了嘛？
2019-03-10 14:31:05 来源：CCTV5在线直播
Toronto Raptors announcer on Anthony Davis:"if you're a franchise player, to say there's not enough talent on thisteam to get an 8 seed, I'm just not buying it".
猛龙发言人谈安东尼-戴维斯：“如果你是球队的门面球员，然后你说身边没有足够天赋让你带领球队打到八号种子，这我是根本不会买账的。—————————
[–]WarriorsAngrilyUnderstand 3771 points 1day ago
He's right. Tell me he's not right.
AD and Jrue alone should carry anyhalfway-decent supporting cast to an eighth seed.
勇士球迷：他是对的，请告诉我他不对的理由。
安东尼-戴维斯和朱-霍乐迪应该能带着任何半吊子球员杀进八强吧。
[–][OKC] Andre Robersontoshredsyousay1 878points 1 day ago
They had an elite offense but their defensewas horrific if I recall correctly.
雷霆球迷：如果我回忆没错的话，他们有着精英级别的进攻但是防守简直可怕。
[–]Knicks Tankwagonzetiano 1318 points 23hours ago
How does a team with AD and Jrue who areconsidered top 10, maybe top 5 defenders in the league be that horrificdefensively?
尼克斯球迷：为什么一支有安东尼-戴维斯和朱-霍乐迪这样的联盟前十、可能是联盟前五的球员为什么防守打得这么烂啊？
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[–][MIA] LeBron JamesKashmir33 731 points23 hours ago
Look at the numbers when they are playing.Those are absolutely fantastic. The problem is when at least of them is off thecourt.
热火球迷：看看他们两个并肩作战时的数据，实际上还是不错的，问题是他们两个至少有一个不在场上时很可怕。
[–]76ersflydales 426 points 14 hours ago
Get Thibs and their off the court minutesstop being a problem.
76人球迷：那搞来锡伯杜啊，这样他们两个至少有一个不在场上的问题就能迎刃而解。
[–]GameDesignerDude 428 points 23 hours ago
Injuries and their bench is the problem.Not AD and Jrue.
Posted this in the other thread about AD,but still relevant here:
AD, Jrue, and Randle are the only Pelicansplayers this year with a positive +/- on the season. The Bucks have 8 playerswith positive +/- this season.
Also, Mirotic missed 24 games with injuriesbefore moving to the Bucks. Payton has only played 27 games this season.
The Pelicans aren't a good team. Not surewhere that narrative came from. Jrue, Randle, and AD are good. Everyone else ismediocre to bad and/or injured all the time. People comparing them to the Bucksare really just focusing on the star players, not the rest of the team.
曾经在别的帖子里说过这个结论，但是在这个帖子里我依然可以这么说：
安东尼-戴维斯、朱-霍乐迪以及兰德尔是鹈鹕所有球员中唯一有正正负值的人，作为类比，雄鹿有8个。
同样米罗蒂奇在去雄鹿之前错过了24场比赛，佩顿这个赛季就打了27场比赛。
鹈鹕不是一支好球队，但是我不知道为什么这种言论从哪里来的，安东尼-戴维斯、朱-霍乐迪以及兰德尔很棒，其他人要么很烂要么一只受伤，人们将他们和雄鹿一起比较不过是注意了他们的明星球员罢了，但他们根本没有关注球队其他成员啊。
[–]IcyAuthor1 175 points 23 hours ago
I guess you need a team to win games. Whowould have thought.
我猜你需要一支球队去赢比赛吧，谁和我想的一样啊？
[–]Bullsbenjammin9292 70 points 22 hoursago
"But LeBron took the Cavs to theFinals!"
Yeah and look at him in the West. Differentconference, entirely different beast. Top 3 player of all time but you can'tjust will yourself to the playoffs in the West.
公牛球迷：
“但是詹姆斯能带领骑士杀进总决赛！”
是的，但是看看他在西部的结果吧——不一样的联盟，结果完全不同 ，史上前三的球员但是你也不能一人将球队带进季后赛啊。
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[–]RaptorsKluey 184 points 1 day ago
And he wants to join the Lakers?
猛龙球迷：然后他也想加入湖人？
[–]HawksTraeYoung 105 points 23 hours ago
lakers were top 5 defensively until lonzogot injured right?
老鹰球迷：湖人在朗佐受伤之前都是联盟前五的防守球队吧？
[–]Rocketscronidollars 58 points 17 hoursago
When Eric Gordon and Ryan Anderson were onthe pelicans ADs team was "trash" but when they were on the rocketshardens team was stacked lol.
火箭球迷：当埃里克-戈登和莱恩-安德森在鹈鹕的时候只能被称之为垃圾，但是当他们在火箭，在哈登的领导下却爆发了哈哈哈。
[–]sriracha82 134 points 1 day ago
I feel like we’ve recently entered a timewhere leaders are excused for anything as long as their stats are good. “Can’tblame them look at the numbers they put up.” No one watches the game. AD had somany games early this year where the Pelicans would be close and need a boostand he would passively float around for a quarter. I remember a game where theywere tied and he didn’t shoot for the entire 3rd quarter....they lost narrowlyin the 4th. He got 28/10 or whatever though.
我觉得我们最近陷入了一个误区，那就是当球员们数据好的时候，那些人总能找到借口为自己推脱。“看看他们的数据吧，你还有什么好怪他们的呢？”似乎没人看比赛啊，安东尼-戴维斯本赛季好多场比赛都是前面发挥出色，但是在鹈鹕被迫近比分并且需要支援的时候他就显得有些隐身了，我还记得有场比赛他们一直焦灼，但是他第三节几乎都没有出手过……最后第四节他们输了分数特别少，他得到了28+10的数据。
[–]crawlingchip 57 points 23 hours ago
It's not a new thing. We were havingexactly the same discussion about Kevin Garnett 15 years ago when KG wasPutting up big numbers with ridiculous efficiency stats and yet the Wolvesdidn't have much success. Many concluded KG was just an empty stats stuffer whodidn't really make an impact. That narrative changed fast soon after.
这不是一个稀奇的事情，我还记得十五年前加内特拿到光鲜且效率奇高的数据且森林狼没有太多成功的时候人们也讨论过这个话题，很多人觉得加内特的数据没什么用，根本起不到作用，然后他们就被啪啪啪打脸了。
[–]sriracha82 101 points 23 hours ago
But KG took that team to the WCF right? Hedidn’t win a chip or anything but it’s obvious he impacted his team.
AD impacts his team too duh but theyshould’ve been in the playoffs this year and he just checked out.
但是加内特把球队带进了西部决赛不是吗？他没赢得总冠军，但是很明显他确实影响了他的球队。
安东尼-戴维斯确实影响他的球队，但是他们不应该季后赛都不进吧，而且他自己选择了独善其身。
[–]WeMissDime 16 points 23 hours ago
Don't think you can blame the front office.The team has undeniably brought in talent (Boogie, Mirotic, Rondo, Randle,Jrue, etc.) This team has 3 20 point scorers on it, maybe 4 with Okafor (he hada great little run when he was actually getting minutes). You can't tell methey're not good enough.
不要觉得你可以责备制服组，他们一直在为球队带来天赋，现在球队有3个场均能得20分以上的得分手，如果加上奥卡福应该是四个，你不能说他们不够优秀。
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[–]RaptorsWasV3 787 points 1 day ago
They also talked about how a franchise 4/5is much harder to win with because you cant be as much of facilitator as theguard/wing types
猛龙球迷：我觉得还需要讨论4、5号位球员当当家球员时是多么难赢比赛，因为你不能像后卫/前锋一样起到各种效果。
[–]Bullsjkure2 784 points 23 hours ago
If you put your ear to the ground, you canhear - feel - the rumbling of Philadelphians falling over themselves trying toget to their keyboards
公牛球迷：如果你把你的耳朵贴近地面，你就能感受到76人的键盘侠们正在蓄势待发。
[–]Spursbrandon_strandy 50 points 23 hoursago
Duncan, KG and Dirk did fine. If you getdouble every time in the post, at some point you just get have to better atpassing.
马刺球迷：邓肯、加内特以及德克打得都不错啊，如果你每次在低位都会被包夹，那么某些时刻你不得不改良一下自己的传球吧。
[–]HornetsXhoquelin 52 points 23 hours ago
The thing is AD has never really attracteddoubles in the post because he can’t really score out of the low post againstproper big men.
黄蜂球迷：关键是AD在低位从来不会引起夹击啊，因为他在低位根本打不了那种吨位的大个子。
[–]RaptorsnotaRaptorfan 90 points 23 hoursago
In a totally different era of basketball.
猛龙球迷：现在篮球时代不一样了啊。
[–]Spursbrandon_strandy 76 points 23 hoursago
lol so prime Dirk would struggle in thisera? I'm just struggling to find an excuse for AD.
马刺球迷：哈哈哈，所以巅峰德克会在这个时代陷入挣扎？我现在很难为安东尼-戴维斯找到借口啊。
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[–][WAS] Bradley BealScaryBullfrog 397points 1 day ago
I don't agree with that as ageneralization, but in the specific case of this Pelicans roster I definitelyagree
奇才球迷：我不同意这个时代4号位5号位不能CARRY比赛的言论，但是对于鹈鹕这个阵容来说我是同意你的观点的。
[–]LakersJayveesac 183 points 1 day ago
I think a core of AD, Jrue, and Randle canbe an 8 seed in the West
湖人球迷：我觉得以安东尼-戴维斯、朱-霍乐迪以及兰德尔为核心的阵容能在西部拿到东部第八。
[–]Celticslewlkewl 113 points 1 day ago
I mean the team has been plagued withinjuries through the years. Fully healthy they're probably a 7-8 seed in thewest.
我的意思是这支球队经历的伤病太多了，如果他们完全健康的话可能会在西部拿到7-8号种子吧。
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