【键盘侠】 魔术师无视留大洛请求|佩林卡和小巴斯也得分锅
2019-03-12 20:55:15 来源：CCTV5在线直播
Bill Oram: "... [Magic] ignored the pleas of the coaching staff that he retain Brook Lopez and Julius Randle."
据湖人记者Bill Oram报道，在7月份签下詹姆斯之后，球队总裁魔术师没有理会教练组关于留下大洛和兰德尔的请求。
Instead, he signed controversial and limited journeymen JaVale McGee, Michael Beasley and Lance Stephenson.
相反的是，魔术师签下一些引起争议且能力有限的浪子球员：麦基、比斯利和史蒂芬森。
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[–]West Talentagentfriend 2287 points 14 hours ago
What’s crazy is that in Brook Lopez’s exit interview he said that he would consider re-signing with the Lakers on a cheap contract if they got a big player. After LeBron signed I thought it was going to be a sure thing that Lopez would sign. Then he went to the Bucks.
最没谱的是，大洛佩兹离队采访的时候说过，如果湖人夏窗能得到一名大牌球员，那他本打算低薪和湖人续约的。湖人签下詹姆斯过后，我觉得大洛肯定会和湖人续约，然后他去了雄鹿……
[–][OKC} Steven Adams GrumpyBearBank 1363 points 14 hours ago
And he went cheap enough that you know it was just that Johnson didn't want him.
雷霆球迷：他愿意接受的薪水已经够低了，就是魔术师不想要他。
[–]Lakers mkmore4 301 points 14 hours ago
Yea, who in the right mind has the opportunity to sign Lopez for ~4M, and says no? That’s insane value.
Magic is clearly incompetent.
湖人球迷：是啊，当你有机会以400万左右的价格签洛佩兹时谁会拒绝啊？这性价比了不得啊。
很明显，魔术师不称职。
[–][SAS] Boban Marjanovic andres7832 220 points 13 hours ago
It was around 3.3M. For ONE year. Not like a 2 year that would affect your cap the next summer, he signed for ONE year, which fits your plans, would be a much better player than McGee and a proven starting Center, unlike McGee.
Magic just fell in love with the idea of Showtime, players running up and down up-tempo and didnt see the real basketball move based on talent.
马刺球迷：大概是330万，一年啊！不是那种会影响你来年夏天薪资空间的两年合约，这是很符合球队计划的，而且他会是一个比麦基好得多的球员，也是一个已经证明过自己的首发中锋。
只是魔术师太迷恋以往那种Showtime风格了，球员们快节奏下往返，但是看不到那种基于天赋的真正的篮球跑动。
[–]Lakers mkmore4 133 points 13 hours ago
Exactly.
Even if Lopez was a total misfit with Lebron (I seriously doubt he would’ve been), and it didn’t work out; they could’ve just bought him out, and it wouldn’t have been big deal. Re-signing him was essentially a no-risk, high reward move, and the fact that Magic chose to not bring him back is embarrassing on his part.
Magic thought he was clever, and tried to reinvent the wheel, but it completely blew up in his face.
湖人球迷：就是这样。
哪怕洛佩兹和詹姆斯风格完全不搭，这么搞行不通，那他们可以直接买断他啊，又没多大事。和大洛续约简直就是高回报零风险的操作啊，尴尬的是，魔术师不想留他了。
魔术师自以为自己很聪明，想在湖人干一番大事业，可是结果完全打脸。
[–]NBA madeupmoniker 103 points 13 hours ago
Lopez could do exactly what Kevin Love was doing on all those cavs team for like 10% of the price. A decent GM should have been able to see him as the perfect stretch 5 for lebron.
当初乐福在骑士所干的工作，大洛佩兹可以以只有他10%的薪水做到。一个靠谱的总经理应该能看到，大洛佩兹是适合詹姆斯的完美空间型五号位。
[–]Magic Schleprok 44 points 13 hours ago
I guarantee you Magic's only reasoning was that Lopez isn't a good rebounder. He didn't do enough critical thinking to conclude that a floor spacing big would work well with LeBron.
魔术球迷：我保证，魔术师之所以不要大洛，肯定是觉得他不是个好的篮板手。可是他没有好好想想，那种空间型大个子可以和詹姆斯配合得很好。
[–][DEN] Nikola Jokic CrimsonOffice 1263 points 13 hours ago
Fck. Yeah, Magic is really becoming one of the worst executive in the league atm.
掘金球迷：这特么就对了。魔术师真的是联盟最菜的经理人之一。
[–][LAC] Patrick Beverley 1975-2050 221 points 13 hours ago*
It’s been clear for a while, when it comes to basketball, Magic’s genius is on the court.
快船球迷：这不早就很明显了么，要说篮球的话，魔术师的天分只在球场上。
[–]Sonof Namek 373 points 13 hours ago
Seriously lol. I've seen people defend him on this sub saying stuff like "he's simplifying it for folks who don't know about basketball."
Uh, no - he's not. The reality is that he's just not very saavy from a player evaluation/basketball analysis perspective.
Just because you're a good soldier doesn't make you a good general.
真的哈哈哈。我看到这个专区还有人维护他说“他是在为那些不懂篮球的人化繁为简。”
不，他不是。事实是他不懂球员评估和篮球分析。
仅因为你是个好士兵可不意味着你就是个好将军。
[–]Supersonics leviwilliams88 183 points 12 hours ago
Honestly most great players seem to be poor player evaluators. Magic, MJ in Charlotte, Lebron in Cleveland/LA (to whatever extent he's had influence in LA).
超音速球迷：说实话，大部分顶尖球员貌似都不擅长评估球员能力。魔术师，夏洛特的乔丹，克利夫兰和洛杉矶的詹姆斯。
[–]trowitindepool 243 points 12 hours ago*
You really can't mention great players gone terrible execs without mentioning Isiah* freakin' Thomas. He ruined the Knicks
你们在说那些顶尖球员做不好总经理的时候还真不能不提特么的以赛亚-特么的-托马斯。他毁了尼克斯。
[–]eogh53 117 points 12 hours ago
Larry bird tho?
那拉里-伯德怎么说？
[–]Hornets trojan_man16 198 points 12 hours ago
Jerry West? He’s basically the second best GM of all time after Auerbach.
黄蜂球迷：还有杰里-韦斯特呢？他基本就是排在奥尔巴赫之后的史上第二强总经理啊。
[–]Pistons darkbunny157 50 points 12 hours ago
"Most" not "all"
活塞球迷：只能说大多数，不能说全部。
[–]Bulls jayjude 45 points 12 hours ago
Exceptions not the rule
Very few star guys ever become really good at the administration and coaching aspects in any sport. Its your role players and bench guys who get that kind of stuff
公牛球迷：特例不能代表什么。
在体育界，能够做好管理和执教工作的前球星级球员少之又少。往往懂行的是哪些角色球员和板凳球员。
[–][BOS] Kendrick Perkins jaleneropepper 25 points 11 hours ago
I think we should just say being a talented player likely has no correlation to being a good GM or evaluator
凯尔特人球迷：我觉得我们只能这么说，一个很有天赋的球员和他以后是否擅长做总经理或者是评估球员价值，两者很可能是没有关系的。
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[–]Raptors say-less 1017 points 14 hours ago
And then signed Stephenson, McGee and Beasley.... I don’t think even anyone on reddit would be stupid enough to do that
猛龙球迷：然后湖人签了史蒂芬森、麦基和比斯利……我甚至都觉得咱们吧里都不会有人蠢到会有这种操作
[–][SAS] Boris Diaw YOU_PM_ME_THIGHS 490 points 14 hours ago
If a redditor posted these moves they would have -500 upvotes
马刺球迷：如果有哪个吧友贴出这种操作，那他怕是要被点灭500次。
[–]Spurs El_Zorro09 24 points 13 hours ago
This was the rare time where literally everyone on the internet saw those signings, laughed out loud and commented, "That shit's not gonna work," and everyone was right.
马刺球迷：大家在网上能看到那种签约还是不多见的，当时就笑着评论说，“这么搞是行不通的”，事实证明大家都是对的。
[–]NBA F7U12_ANALYSIS 104 points 14 hours ago
And yet there were a lot of people defending the moves.
即便如此，当时还是有很多人力挺这种操作。
[–]Kings wehopeuchoke 143 points 13 hours ago
I think the defense was “well they’re just role players to go with Lebron” and assumed Lebron would just carry them. Which was kinda true in the first half of the season…
国王球迷：我记得当时他们的理由是“反正这些人只是给詹姆斯配备的角色球员”，还想着詹姆斯会带着他们前进。不过赛季前半段的时候，这倒有几分道理……
[–][BOS] Jaylen Brown OrangeKookie 63 points 13 hours ago
its Lakers exceptionalism
The front office and jeanie buss work with the idea that whatever they do will work out in the end and that they're playing 4D chess but Lakers exceptionalism ended when Dr. Buss died
凯尔特人球迷：这就得说说湖人例外论了。
湖人的管理团队和珍妮-巴斯运营球队的时候是这么想的：不管他们怎么搞最后都能成，他们这是在下一盘大旗。可是老巴斯离世的时候，湖人例外论就不存在了。
[–]Magic Schleprok 23 points 13 hours ago*
Yup. The franchise built up some well-earned equity from the 60's to the mid 2010's to make everybody believe things will work out, but things are no longer working out.
魔术球迷：是的，湖人从上世纪60年代到2010年代中期打下了很厚实的家底，这就让他们都以为怎么搞都能成，可是这一套已经行不通了。
[–][WAS] Chris Webber hoostrax 294 points 14 hours ago
And then traded their best center for someone who's been injured/useless. And are now trying to sign another center to make up for that mistake.
奇才球迷：魔术师还拿队里最好的中锋去换某个受过伤没啥用的人。现在又想着再签一名中锋去补锅。
[–]wingram24 22 points 13 hours ago
To the Clippers, the team above them by only 2 games by that time. Unless that was a blatant tank move, there is no explanation
还让他去了快船，当时快船的战绩可是只领先湖人两场啊。除非这种操作纯粹是为了摆烂，不然没法解释。
[–]SonofNamek 38 points 13 hours ago
Don't forget trading D'Angelo and then, publicly calling out his leadership afterward.
It's even worse since Lebron has always played well with All-Star caliber guards who can shoot. Because if they weren't even keeping Brook Lopez, there really was no reason to trade D'Angelo in the first place.
不要忘了把拉塞尔送走这事儿啊，然后他事后还公开说拉塞尔领导力不够。
更惨的是，詹姆斯在搭配那种有篮子的全明星级控卫时往往打得蛮好。因为如果湖人压根就不打算留大洛的话，那真没理由一开始就送走拉塞尔啊。
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[–]technicallycorrect2 2417 points 14 hours ago
Luke Walton will no doubt take the shit for other people’s bad decisions or bad performance.
毫无疑问，沃顿要为其他人的错误决定和稀烂表现背锅。
[–][SAC] De'Aaron Fox Apocalypticorn 251 points 14 hours ago
Coach is almost always the scapegoat. Terribly constructed roster not winning? Fire coach. Unhappy star? Fire coach. Win COTY? Fire coach
马刺球迷：主教练一般都是替罪羊。球队阵容搭建不好不能赢球？炒教练。球星不高兴？炒教练。拿下年度最佳教练称号？炒教练。
[–]Raptors Konfliction 116 points 14 hours ago
To be fair COTY is a season award lol he was fired for playoff performance..
猛龙球迷：说实话，年度最佳教练是奖励常规赛带队表现的，哈哈哈，凯西是因为球队在季后赛的表现下课的……
[–]Lakers AggroAssault 1209 points 14 hours ago
Luke isn't the best coach but most of the blame he gets is undeserved
湖人球迷：虽说沃顿不是顶级教练吧，可是很多锅都不该他背的。
[–][DEN] Nikola Jokic RedSoxEatPoop 627 points 14 hours ago
Some of the hot takes I've seen from people rocking your flair have been amazing...I thought Luke coached the Lakers well last year even getting them to 35 wins. This year it should be obvious to most people that the team was assembled poorly. That's on Magic.
掘金球迷：你们有些湖蜜之前可是很敢说的……我觉得沃顿上赛季把湖人带的很好，甚至还能拿到35胜啊。至于说这个赛季，很显然大多数人都能看出来，湖人的阵容搭配的很不好。这是魔术师的锅。
[–]Rockets scottieburr 18 points 13 hours ago
I mean Luke's coaching was what helped Golden State get off to a 39-4 start a few years ago. He's definitely not bad.
火箭球迷：我觉得吧，沃克几个赛季前还帮助勇士取得39胜4负的开局呢，他肯定是没那么水的。
[–]NBA ender23 37 points 13 hours ago
there's a difference between executing a plan that's worked before with a team that's familiar with it, and building something new.
你在一支球队贯彻一套球员们原本就很熟悉且很管用的战术，和你在一支新球队灌输你的执教理念，这还是有区别的。
[–]Lakers AggroAssault 325 points 13 hours ago
Yep. Luke does make mistakes, for example there were quite a few games where he’d sub in lance and Beasley at the beginning of the fourth and we’d lose our lead. But then again, it’s Magic’s fault that they’re even on the roster
湖人球迷：是啊，沃克确实也犯错，比如说有很多比赛他在第四节初段没有把兰斯和比斯利按在替补席上，然后我们丢掉了领先优势。可是话说回来了，这些人还能在湖人，这就是魔术师的错了。
[–]Lakers matticans7pointO 13 points 13 hours ago
Yea I see people consistently complain about his rotations and most of it is undeserved. people complain and say "why is he playing Rondo? Why is he playing McGee?". Like who is he supposed to play lol.
湖人球迷：没错，我看到很多人总是抱怨沃顿的轮换，大多都不该是沃顿的错。那些人说“为什么他让隆多打？为啥他让麦基上场？”不然他还能让谁打呢，哈哈哈
[–]Thunder JohnCryptoRambo 35 points 13 hours ago
Why is it not on Pelinka, the GM?
雷霆球迷：为啥就不是佩林卡的锅呢，他是总经理吧？
[–][DEN] Nikola Jokic RedSoxEatPoop 100 points 13 hours ago
It should fall on both of them...but when this thread specifically points out Magic as ignoring the discussion of bringing Lopez back, he should be blamed for a lot of the player management too.
掘金球迷：应该是他和魔术师分锅的……不过这个帖子是直接指向魔术师无视教练组挽留大洛的请求，那他就该为大部分的球员管理负责。
[–][ATL] Mookie Blaylock terafunker 41 points 13 hours ago
I suppose it's taken for granted that Magic is supposed to be the one pulling the strings on all these decisions. There's been very little discussed about the actual power structure behind the scenes with the Lakers.
老鹰球迷：我觉得很多人都想当然地认为湖人所有这些幕后决定都是魔术师做的。可是却很少有人讨论湖人背后的真正权力架构。
[–][LAL] Metta World Peace WalrusInMySheets 6 points 11 hours ago
Magic gets all the credit, he should get all the blame as well. That being said, like 2 hours before LeBron committed to the Lakers, Randle said that he wanted out of LA. I don't blame the Lakers for not re-signing him.
湖人球迷：名声都是魔术师拿的，那他就该担下所有的骂名。不过呢，在詹姆斯转投湖人的前两小时，兰德尔当时说过他想离开湖人。这就不能怪湖人没和他续约了。
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[–]Suns DeathStarLineup 175 points 14 hours ago
What a SHOCK!!!
A guy with ZERO front office experience sucks as a President of Basketball operations.
A guy who was a sports agent with ZERO front office experience sucks as a GM.
What next? Will they hire Rich Paul as the next Laker executive?
太阳球迷：震惊啊！！
一个高层管理经验为0的人居然还能做篮球运营总裁。
一个原本只是体育经纪人且高层管理经验为0的人居然能当总经理。
湖人还要怎么玩？他们会让里奇-保罗当下一任总经理吗？
[–]Lakers tantouz 87 points 13 hours ago
dont give them ideas
湖人球迷：你可别把这个点子告诉湖人了。
[–]Longbeach0731 64 points 14 hours ago
Fuck Magic. Totally bungled this summer. Thought getting LeBron was enough
傻X魔术师。这个夏天完全搞砸了，他当初还以为引进詹姆斯就行了呢
[–]grandmasterkif 20 points 14 hours ago
I just want to see Lakers fans boo Magic when they are at the game.
我就想看魔术师在现场观赛时，湖蜜嘘他。
[–]Pistons ITS_NOT_A_BOWL 24 points 13 hours ago
Magic seems like a really nice guy and was an all time great player, but i've seen no indication that he has a fucking clue what he's doing right now.
活塞球迷：魔术师貌似人很不错，以前也是很伟大的球员，不过我实在搞不清他尼玛现在运营球队事务的时候是咋想的。
[–]Clippers youlikeithuhfoo 284 points 14 hours ago
Comes down to the Lakers have been trying to find an identity these last 6 years. For such a stories and solidified franchise. Their culture has been a complete mess recently.
快船球迷：湖人过往六年都在努力寻求一种身份认同。可是这么一支底蕴深厚的球队，这些年的球队文化却是一团糟。
[–]NBA urfaselol 149 points 14 hours ago
not a surprise that their culture went to shit when Jerry Buss died and their kids started taking over. Spoiled kids with silverspoons in their mouths that dont' have any management chops or experience.
老巴斯过世他的子女接管球队的时候，我就对他们的球队文化走向衰败毫不奇怪。老巴斯的子女可都是饭来张口的，这些被宠坏的孩子完全没有球队管理的经验。
[–]Mavericks zizzor23 64 points 14 hours ago
Idk how hard could it be to a) keep your good players and b) not sign bad players who are past it
独行侠球迷：1、留住队里的好球员，2、不要签那些过气的实力不济的球员，我不知道这两点能有多难。
[–]Mavericks ThatGetItKid 38 points 14 hours ago
Since they’re so used to just buying what they want they think they can just get any FA they want since the Laker brand will just woo them over.
If LeBron wasn’t worried about growing his brand there’s no way he ends up on the Lakers.
独行侠球迷：湖人已经习惯了过去那种想要哪个大牌自由球员就能要的姿态，毕竟他们湖人的大招牌在那儿摆着。
如果詹姆斯去年不是急于壮大自己的品牌，那他绝对不会去湖人的。
[–]Lakers so-cal_kid 51 points 14 hours ago
It's nepotism gone wrong. If you look at any good FO in the league, I don't think a single one is the result of inheritance. It's a bad situation for us.
湖人球迷：就不该搞任人唯亲那一套的。看看联盟里那些优秀的管理层，我还没发现有谁是子承父业的。我们现在的处境很不好。
[–]Clippers Ok_Maize 122 points 14 hours ago
Lakers better hope they get AD this summer or they will be in a lot of trouble.
快船球迷：湖人最好祈祷夏天得到戴维斯吧，不然麻烦就大了
[–]Raptors KawhiGotUsNow 113 points 14 hours ago
They won’t
This has been a colossal fuck up by magic
猛龙球迷：他们得不到戴维斯的，这都被魔术师搞得一团乱。
[–]Clippers Ok_Maize 25 points 14 hours ago
I feel like there's a good chance. Assuming Kyrie walks (which I feel like is happening unless the Cs make the finals), there might not be much competition for the Lakers.
快船球迷：我倒觉得很有机会啊。假设欧文离开了，那就没有多少人能和湖人竞争了。
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