【键盘侠】雄鹿GM力挺字母哥拿MVP|谁都希望自家球员拿奖
2019-04-02 17:08:57 来源：CCTV5在线直播
Bucks GM Jon Horst on Giannis' MVP chances: "To me it's really clear. We've beaten Houston twice, we've got the best team in the East, the best team in the league right now record-wise. And Giannis offensively and defensively is dominating this league."
在谈到为什么字母哥本赛季能竞争MVP时，雄鹿总经理霍斯特表示：“对我而言，这是显而易见的。我们2次击败了休斯敦火箭队，我们是东部最好的球队，也是联盟现在战绩最好的球队。从场上的表现来看，字母哥在攻防两端都能统治联盟。”
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[–]Kings cluo40 1179 points 16 hours ago
Wow! I wonder what the Rockets GM would say about Harden's MVP chances?
国王球迷：哇！我倒是好奇火箭总经理会对哈登得MVP的概率作何回答。
[–]CM2423 948 points 16 hours ago
“We give ball to beard man. He put ball in hole. We win”
“我们把球交给大胡子，然后他把球放进。我们赢了。”
[–]Rockets Ihatemelo 66 points 15 hours ago
What does beating Houston have to do with winning MVP? Can Houston also say Milwaukee got swept by Phoenix to bolster its case?
火箭球迷：击败火箭和赢得MVP有啥关系？那窝火能用雄鹿被太阳横扫来反驳吗?
[–]carismo 4 points 8 hours ago
I still can’t comprehend how tf that happened.
我特么现在都搞不懂为毛要说这个。
[–][DAL] Uwe Blab TrendyPopMusician 1931 points 16 hours ago
"We would very much like the award to go to one of our players.". --Every GM
独行侠球迷：每个队的总经理都这么说：“我们非常希望我们的某个队员得到MVP。”
[–]Magic speqter 436 points 15 hours ago
Dunno about that bearded guy or that Greek dude, but Vucevic deserves to win this year.
魔术球迷：对大胡子和那个希腊哥们儿不甚了解，不过武切维奇应该当选MVP。
[–]Cavaliers -Claive- 24 points 14 hours ago
Marquise Chriss for MVP.
骑士球迷：克里斯应该拿MVP。
[–]Ting_Brennan 32 points 14 hours ago
Serge Ibaka enters the room
伊巴卡进入了聊天室。
[–]Knicks DrBaus 6 points 12 hours ago
Kevin Knox for MVP
尼克斯球迷：诺克斯应该拿MVP。
[–]Suns Tankwagonboldmatters 64 points 13 hours ago
Well the Suns have beaten the Bucks twice, we've got the worst team in the West, the worst team in the league for the past decade record-wise. And Dragan Bender is an offensive and defensive liability, being rolled over by any other player in this league. Sooo...
Bender4MVP
太阳球迷：行吧，我们太阳这赛季两次击败雄鹿，我们是联盟最菜的球队，就战绩来说，我们是联盟过去十年最水的球队。而本德尔在攻防两端都是我们的负累，联盟任何球员都能在他头上拉屎拉尿。所以说……
本德尔是MVP！
[–]Kings 2JMAN89 369 points 17 hours ago
The Kings swept the Spurs, does that mean Joeger is a better coach than Pop?
国王球迷：国王横扫了马刺，这难道意味着乔格尔是比波波维奇更优秀的教练吗？
[–][TOR] Kawhi Leonard retrohhh999 307 points 16 hours ago
Yes
猛龙球迷：是的。
[–][MIL] Giannis Antetokounmpo parkertokounmpo 57 points 16 hours ago
The Kings don’t have the best record in the league. Still 6 wins behind the Spurs. And of course someone potentially winning COTY doesn’t make him better than Pop. Neither winning MVP means you’re the best player in the league.
雄鹿球迷：国王可没有联盟最佳战绩，现在还落后马刺6个胜场呢。当然了，不管谁最后拿了年度最佳教练，都不能说明他的执教能力强于波波。同样的，拿了MVP也不能说明你就是联盟第一人。
[–]Rockets clutch-city2k15 9 points 12 hours ago
Ayton locked down Giannis and swept the Bucks. Is Ayton DPOY?
火箭球迷：艾顿锁死了字母哥，帮助太阳横扫雄鹿。那可以说艾顿是年度最佳防守球员么?
[–]Lakers cire1184 9 points 12 hours ago
Yes.
湖人球迷：可以。
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[–]Nets Bigbadbuck 30 points 13 hours ago
I mean everything he did say is a team achievement. He's saying we have the best record and we've beaten Houston twice. The only part where he mentions giannis is saying he's dominating offensively and defensively
篮网球迷：我觉得吧，霍斯特所说的都是球队成就。他说雄鹿战绩最好，两次战胜火箭。唯一提到字母哥的是说他统治攻防两端。
[–][HOU] Metta World Peace AoE2manatarms 7 points 15 hours ago
I mean what is he supposed to say, but I do believe using a regular season record is a strange defense. Everything else sounds fine though.
火箭球迷：他该怎么说才好呢，不过我真的觉得他拿常规赛交手战绩说事的出发点很奇怪，可其他的话貌似没毛病。
[–]Pelicans BandwagonMoltk 3 points 3 hours ago
I mean, no MVP of mine should ever be swept by the Suns.
鹈鹕球迷：我觉得吧，我心中的MVP球员是不能被太阳这种队横扫的。
[–]Pistons ArnieKander69 145 points 17 hours ago
The "head to head" argument is irrelevant.
But the rest of his statement about be the best player on team with the best record & the argument that Giannis is a great 2-way player is valid.
活塞球迷：霍斯特那个火箭雄鹿正面较量的论调与MVP之争是没有关联的。
可是他其他的论据，说什么字母哥是战绩最好球队里的最好球员，还是联盟最好的攻防一体球员，这是站得住脚的。
[–][SAS] Dejounte Murray Ops135 18 points 16 hours ago
You don't need to point out the head to head match up 2 games don't mean shit, his other points are great arguments for giannis.
马刺球迷：真没必要指出火箭和雄鹿的正面刚，那两场比赛毛都说明不了，他其他的论据还是很能替字母哥撑腰的。
[–]Pistons ArnieKander69 25 points 14 hours ago
Head to head is irrelevant because the MVP award isn't about one season series. It is about how you play over the course of the season. And if your team has the best season record & you are the best player, it should be valued more than someone who is the best player on a bad team.
活塞球迷：提两队正面交锋的战绩毫无干系，因为MVP奖项又不是关于球队间的胜负关系，而是着重于你在整个常规赛的表现。如果你的球队战绩联盟第一，你又是队里的最佳球员，那这应该比那种菜队的最佳球员价值大。
[–]Raptors Konfliction 14 points 16 hours ago
Honestly, this says a lot about how vague the MVP title is even described.. none of those things other the last point about Giannis seems even remotely related to being the MVP imo.
猛龙球迷：说实话，霍斯特的话足矣说明MVP的定义有多么模糊。除了他的最后一点，我觉得他的其他论调貌似与字母哥拿MVP无甚关系啊。
[–]5StarCash 59 points 17 hours ago
at least he knows they aren’t the actual best team in the league
至少霍斯特知道，他们不是联盟里真正的最佳球队。
[–]Bucks The_Sign_of_Zeta 62 points 16 hours ago
He knew he didn't want that part of the quote litigated on places like Reddit.
雄鹿球迷：他一开始就知道，自己不想在我们这种论坛引起骂战。
[–]Hawks jumboponcho 369 points 16 hours ago
He should've bossed up and said best team in the league
老鹰球迷：霍斯特应该硬气点，就说雄鹿是联盟最佳球队。
[–]Kafkamazov 17 points 16 hours ago
I found that interesting, too.
我也觉得这很有意思。
[–]Bucks Cambot1138 25 points 12 hours ago
He says record wise, implying the Warriors may be better because they play in the traditionally tougher west.
雄鹿球迷：他是说就球队战绩而论，暗示勇士或许更强，因为勇士可是在历来竞争更为激烈的西部。
[–]Bucks The_Sign_of_Zeta 172 points 16 hours ago
If he did that than there would been a whole bunch of talking heads focusing on him saying best team in the league rather than Giannis.
雄鹿球迷：如果他真说了我们是联盟最强，那焦点都对准他的这句话，而不是字母哥了。
[–]Rockets OptionRunners 57 points 15 hours ago
I'm probably going to get down voted cause people will think I'm salty looking at my flair.. but Bucks aren't even the best team in the East. It's clearly the Raptors. They have only 3 less wins and that's with Kawhi missing 22 games and Lowry missing 16... and then they added Marc Gasol lol
Not even trying to hate. But Raptors are by far the best team in the East. Arguably the best in the league.
火箭球迷：或许我会被点灭，因为大家看到我的火箭球迷标识后会觉得我是在酸……不过雄鹿甚至都不是东部最佳球队啊，很显然是猛龙。他们只落后三个胜场，而且这还是建立在莱昂纳德缺阵22场、洛瑞缺阵16场的前提下……并且他们还引进了小加，哈哈哈哈
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[–]Rockets memeofconsciousness 50 points 16 hours ago
Isn't Harden the one dominating the league offensively?
火箭球迷：进攻端制霸联盟的难道不是哈登吗？
[–]Rockets Human_On_Reddit 28 points 13 hours ago
Yes, he's having one of the best offensive seasons of all-time. But Giannis has more of a two-way domination argument. There's an intriguing case for either of them and I honestly think this race is even closer in principle than the 2017 race with Westbrook vs Harden.
Obviously I want Harden to win and think he deserves it for the overall most value to his team, but Giannis has a great case. One stat that blows my mind is that he has 272 dunks on the season, including 128 unassisted. That's just absurd. Shaq-level shit. It's part of the reason why Shaq himself felt comfortable giving him the Superman title.
火箭球迷：是的，他打出了有史以来进攻端最为出彩的个人赛季之一。可是字母哥是攻防两端的整体表现更强。支撑他俩拿MVP的论据都很有意思，我真觉得今年的MVP之争要比17年威少和哈登的争夺更为接近。
很显然，我希望哈登拿奖，而且也觉得他配得上这个荣誉，可是字母哥也是很有说服力的。他有一项数据让我很是震惊啊，他这个赛季居然有272次扣篮，包括128次自主进攻灌框，这也太厉害了些吧。这是奥尼尔级别的爆炸力啊。奥尼尔之所以能欣然把超人的头衔给到字母哥，这也是部分原因。
[–][TOR] Dell Curry ModernPoultry 251 points 15 hours ago*
I will just say that both players are having historic seasons and both have strong arguments for MVP.
Myself personally, I will admit, even as a 'blog boi', I am still wowed by ppg and high scoring numbers so I find myself biased towards what Harden is doing carrying the Rockets but I can definitely see Giannis' case as we what he is doing is just as historic, just not resonating as much as Harden's high scoring outbursts which optically look more appealing in this boxscore/highlight video world we live in
猛龙球迷：我就觉得两个球员都打出了历史性的赛季表现，他俩谁拿MVP都很有说服力。
就我个人而言，我承认，即使是键盘侠而论，我还是更被场均得分和那些高分折服，所以我觉得自己更偏向哈登的表现，不过我绝对也认同字母哥的优异表现，只是说他的数据没有哈登那种频繁的高分那么爆炸，更有冲击力。
[–]Bucks AlekRivard 88 points 15 hours ago
Probably the most reasonable comment in this thread - obviously I want Giannis to win but I can't dispute any of what you're saying
雄鹿球迷：你这或许是这个帖子里最理性的评论。显然我是希望字母哥拿奖的，可是你让我无可辩驳。
[–]76ers CraftyCoach 9 points 11 hours ago
Thing is, it’s not a team award. Yes, Giannis is leading the Bucks and the main reason for this, but MVP isn’t a team award. Harden went off this season in scoring. Giannis has been consistently good, but nothing historic that I can think of. I could be wrong with that but I just feel like Harden is more deserving of the MVP
76人球迷：关键在于，MVP不是团队奖项。是的，字母哥带领雄鹿一路高歌猛进，也是他拿奖的主要理由，可MVP终归不是团队奖项啊。哈登这个赛季在得分上迎来了大爆发，字母哥也是一直都表现很出色，可我觉得他还算不上是历史性的表现。也许我是错的，可是我就觉得哈登更该拿MVP。
[–]Bucks trinquin 5 points 10 hours ago
27/12/6 is pretty damn historic when only Oscar has done it before.
雄鹿球迷：27+12+6的数据已经很特么历史性了，以前只有奥斯卡-罗伯逊做到过。
[–][PHI] Ben Simmons wcseduction 34 points 15 hours ago
Not hating on Giannis but his stats this year are very similar to his stats last year. The Bucks built a great team around him in a weak East. What Harden is doing is literally historic I don’t see how you don’t give it to him.
76人球迷：我也不是讨厌字母哥，可是他这个赛季的数据和上赛季很接近啊。雄鹿在相对孱弱的东部围绕字母哥打造了一支强力球队。哈登所做的才是真正的历史性表现，想不通为啥不把MVP给他。
[–][HOU] Moochie Norris Incite-GG 65 points 14 hours ago*
No. As hard as I'm rooting for Harden to win MVP, there is absolutely no way you can argue Giannis' stats are similar to last year. He's playing 4 less minutes, but scoring more points on higher efficiency with less shots taken. His rebounding and assists have increased significantly with less time played.
I'm someone who heavily favors Harden in the MVP race but there is absolutely no way you can deny Giannis is having a significantly better season than last year and is having a truly incredible season.
Bucks great coaching and roster improvements while being situated in the east are not the reason I think Harden should win MVP.
火箭球迷：不，虽说我是极力支持哈登拿MVP的，可是你绝对不能说字母哥的数据和上赛季差不多。他这个赛季场均出场少了4分钟，可是在出手很少的前提下，打出了更高的效率和更多的得分。在出场时间减少的情况下，他的篮板和助攻都急剧增加。
我是很维护哈登的，不过字母哥这个赛季的表现确实是非常难以置信的，而且要比上赛季进步非常大，这是绝对不能否认的。
的确，雄鹿的教练更好，阵容的提升，而且还在实力相对较弱的东部，可我并不把这些当做是哈登得MVP的理由。
[–]Just AntherAlt 17 points 15 hours ago
I'll honestly stop attributing any worth to the award if Harden doesn't win this year. Giannis would have to be the best defender of the past 20 years for it to overcome Harden's offensive output.
要是哈登这个赛季没拿奖，那我真的不觉得这个奖项还有啥价值。字母哥只有打出过去20年防守第一人的水准才能超越哈登在进攻端的野蛮输出。
[–]Warriors MacDerfus 8 points 14 hours ago
I'd give Giannis the edge due to being the best player on the best team by record at the time of voting.
勇士球迷：我觉得字母哥优势更大，毕竟他是联盟最佳战绩球队里的最佳球员，这点在投票时总是会被考虑的。
[–]Timberwolves JSS0075 60 points 12 hours ago
laughs in Westbrook
森林狼球迷：威少笑了。
[–][WAS] Courtney Alexander heyrak 11 points 16 hours ago
Both players have credible arguments to win the MVP. Neither needs an argument against the other. What they have each done is really special. Both have been underratted significantly by their detractors.
I had Giannis at 1 until very very recently and Harden has just passed him for me.
But whomever you think should win, I think we can all agree on one thing:
Fuck the stupid awards show being not for like 2+ months by which point I will barely care.
奇才球迷：字母哥和哈登不管谁拿奖，理由都是可以令人信服的。没必要捧一踩一。他们各自的表现真的很特殊。他俩的表现都被各自的喷子低估了很多。
我原本是站字母哥的，可是最近我觉得哈登反超了。
可是不管你觉得谁能拿奖，我觉得有一点是我们都认同的：
那个傻x的颁奖居然还要等两个多月，那会儿我都不大在乎了。
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