【键盘侠】2019各奖项几与美国无缘|NBA提升世界篮球水准
2019-09-13 19:24:25 来源：CCTV5在线直播
MVP is Greek, ROTY is Slovenian, DPY is French, MIP is Cameroonian, NBA Champions are Canadian, and now USA won't be World Champions.
Even if US didn't send their best —or their second best—, this defeat just goes to show how much the increase of international presence in the NBA has benefited other countries' National Teams.
今年NBA常规赛MVP是希腊人，最佳新秀是斯洛文尼亚人，最佳防守球员是法国人，，最快进步奖得主是喀麦隆人，NBA总冠军是加拿大球队，而如今呢，美国队连世界冠军也丢了。
虽说美国队这次没有排出最强阵容——或者说连第二梯队也不算，可是这次的失利恰恰说明了，NBA赛场上国际面孔的增加让其他各国国家队受益不少。
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[–]Raptors charley3fly 1408 指標 1 天前
how much the increase of international presence in the NBA has benefited other countries' National Teams
Or how other countries' players have benefited the NBA
猛龙球迷：“NBA赛场上国际面孔的增长让其他各国国家队受益不少”
或者说是其他国家的球员让NBA受益不少。
[–]MNamer[S] 123 指標 1 天前
I agree 100% with that. I just don't think one can draw that conclusion from today.
我完全同意，我就觉得这一点现在谁也说不准。
[–][BOS] Larry Bird Obi-Anunoby 35 指標 1 天前
These players and teams all benefit the NBA — either by playing in the NBA of improving competition.
凯尔特人球迷：这些球员和国家队都让NBA受益了，要不就是他们的存在提升了联盟的竞争力。
[–]France Sam_Gamegie 170 指標 1 天前
It's a win-win !
法国队球迷：就是双赢啊！
[–]Make GoodBetter 41 指標 1 天前
Right. Was gonna say it's a symbiotic relationship.
对头，我之前就觉得这是一种互利互惠的关系。
[–]Supersonics SevenWeeksOnReddit 377 指標 1 天前
Basketball is becoming more global every year, which will increase the quality of players coming to the NBA. This is why I think the NBA should expand and include at least another 2 teams.
超音速球迷：篮球如今越来越全球化，这就会提升那些去NBA打球的球员的质量。所以我认为NBA应该扩军，至少再加两支球队。
[–][SAS] Dejounte Murray jumpijehosaphat 59 指標 1 天前
bring the nba back to Vancouver
马刺球迷：让NBA回到温哥华吧！
[–]Lakers the_than_then_guy 35 指標 1 天前
We don't even have 30 competitive teams as it stands.
湖人球迷：可是咱们即便就现在这30支球队，你也不能说他们都是很有竞争力的啊。
[–]theGarden530 13 指標 1 天前
We could swap Charlotte for one of these Chinese teams
咱们应该拿黄蜂去换一支CBA球队进来。
[–][CHA] Dwayne Bacon ImAroosterAMA 10 指標 1 天前
HAHAHA GOOD ONE BRO HAHA NICE
黄蜂球迷：呵呵呵，老哥很敢说哦，很棒！
[–]Been Wavy07 165 指標 1 天前
Think we'll enter an era where 3 of the best 6/7 players aren't American. Great for the sport. I'm sure Team USA will cope, they sent their C-team this year. Had it been the B-team instead, they'd have at least made it to the final.
我觉得咱们将会进入这么一个时代：最好的六七个篮球运动员里有三个不会是美国人。这对体育行业来说是好事啊。不过我相信美国国家队会有所应对，毕竟他们今年派去参加世界杯的是C队，如果是B队的话，那至少能打进决赛吧。
[–]Bucks teotsi 22 指標 1 天前
Giannis, Doncic and?
雄鹿球迷：那三个非美国人你说的是字母哥、东契奇，还有？
[–]Argentina emi_b7 208 指標 1 天前
Facundo Campazzo, of course.
阿根廷球迷：当然是坎帕佐啊！
[–]Mavericks EdamameTommy 99 指標 1 天前
Patty Mills
独行侠球迷：明明是米尔斯！
[–][SAC] Bogdan Bogdanovic redwashing 55 指標 1 天前
US still had more than enough talent to beat France. They just played stupidly. They relentlessly attack the basket and tried to penetrate no matter what regardless of the situation. A very limited Turkey with no interior defense almost beat them playing fucking zone defense for 20+ minutes in 2019 because nobody passed to the perimeter anyway. Then they play against arguably the best rim protector of his generation and what do they do, try contested layups lol what's the worst that can happen.
Yeah maybe overwhelming talent like Curry or Lebron could've saved them but lets face the facts, US didn't lose this game because they lacked talent. They didn't lose because they lacked will either, they definitely tried. US lost because nothing could affect their tunnel vision to go inside and finish. Idk if it was a tactical idea, fit problem or players trying to become heroes but that's not how you win a game against a good team.
国王球迷：美国队现在的人员储备依然相当之充足，战胜法国队是绰绰有余的。只是他们打得太蠢了。一股脑的往篮下冲，不管不顾的突内线。那支没有内线防守、天赋极为有限的土耳其就靠着特么20多分钟的联防，差点就干翻了美国队，因为美国队没人往外边传球啊。然后他们又遇上了这个时代最好的护框者，美国队干了些啥呢？居然想硬碰硬往篮下杀，哈哈哈，这是最下策啊。
是的，或许像库里和詹姆斯这种具备碾压性天赋优势的人可以拯救美国队，不过咱们还是面对现实吧，这支美国队输球不是输在天赋不足，也不是斗志匮乏，这帮人肯定是尽力了的。他们输球是因为，他们往里突的时候眼里只剩篮筐。我不知道这是战术安排、磨合问题，还是球员们想逞英雄，不过这可不是你面对强敌之时的取胜方式。
[–]Bucks IGoOnRedditAMA 15 指標 1 天前
I'm ignorant, but hasn't the C team only played together for like a month? Can't speak to how long the French group team has played together, but my hunch is it is longer than a month.
雄鹿球迷：说我无知吧，可是这支C队不是仅仅在一起合练了一个月左右吗？法国队在一起合练多久我不知道，可是直觉告诉我，比一个月的时间要多。
[–]76ers 3threes3 8 指標 1 天前
This is a very understated part of why team USA struggles when they don't send a team full of stars.
Most national teams play a consistent core of players for like a decade. They don't play like a random bunch of good players like the USA often does.
When you send players like LeBron, KD, Curry, Melo, Kobe and all, sure, they are just so good that they can overcome the deficit of barely have any experience playing together by their sheer greatness.
When you have a team with a couple of young guys like Mitchell and Tatum and then role players like Barnes, Smart, Harris.. It's just not enough. The difference in talent is not big enough and I'm not that surprised about this outcome.
76人球迷：楼上说的这一点被很多人都忽视了。
大部分国家队都是持续围绕着同一套核心，打了大概有十年。他们不会像美国队常做的这样，临时随意拼凑起一帮好手。
你要是派上詹姆斯、杜兰特、库里、甜瓜、科比这种顶尖球星，那没的说，他们就是这么厉害啊，哪怕平时几乎没咋在一起磨合也不算事儿。
可你要是用米切尔、塔图姆这些年轻人再搭配上巴恩斯、斯玛特、哈里斯这种角色球员组队……那就是不够啊。这帮人的天赋也没比对手高哪儿去啊，所以看到现在这个结果，我一点都不奇怪。
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[–]Lakers cantcooklovefood 397 指標 1 天前
This is what happens when Lebron doesn’t make the playoffs.
湖人球迷：詹姆斯没进季后赛就成了这幅局面吧。
[–]LeatherFart 2931 指標 1 天前
All anybody cares about is 6MOTY anyways
反正咱们只在乎年度第六人这个奖项
[–]h97i 1584 指標 1 天前
Lou Will is actually Somalian so
可路威实际上是索马里人哦，所以说……
[–]Celtics davemoedee 211 指標 1 天前*
For those taking the joke seriously, he was actually born in Tennessee.
Edit: I was wondering why this particular joke so I googled. I guess the joke was referring to the fake news report about Somali Muslims taking over a town in Tennessee. Clever.
凯尔特人球迷：有些人可别把玩笑当真了啊，路威其实是在田纳西出生的。
编辑：我原先还好奇这梗哪儿来的，然后就去查了。之前有条假新闻说索马里的穆斯林移民“接管”了田纳西州的一个小镇，我猜路威这个梗就是从这儿来的。
[–]Felixano 217 指標 1 天前*
No the joke is because he like vaguely looks like the guy from that Somali pirates movie.
不，其实就是因为他有点像索马里海盗那些电影里的角色。
[–]NBA 3s2ng 17 指標 1 天前
Summer league MVP is an american. Checkmate!
咱们还有夏季联赛MVP是美国人哦！不能输！
[–][BOS] MarShon Brooks Aldog31 55 指標 1 天前
Besides being a Celtics fan and the obvious disappointment in having 4 players on the losing team (even though Tatum didn’t play), I am for real embarrassed that the US didn’t win this cup.
Hopefully this gets players to take it more seriously going forward. Turner, Plumlee, and Lopez are good to great players but they simply cannot be your centers in a competition like this. There are guys much more talented that could’ve played. The US has beaten teams by skill and not chemistry over the years IMO. Hopefully this teaches us a lesson and we take these things more seriously going forward again. Embarrassing to not get into at least a medal game but GG to France.
凯尔特人球迷：输球的这支美国队里有4个凯尔特人球员，我这个凯蜜肯定是很失望的，可是抛开这些，我是真的为这支美国队没能冲冠感到尴尬。
希望这次的经历能让球员们以后的态度能更加认真些吧。特纳、普拉姆利和大洛佩兹这些球员都还可以，可是在世界杯这种赛事里，他们就是打不了中锋位置的。他们所碰到的对手里，天赋远远超出的人也是大有人在的。就我看来，过去这些年，美国队都是靠技术击败对手的，而不是化学反应。希望这次能给他们上一课，今后咱们才会更加严肃地对待这种比赛。连四强都没进确实尴尬啊，不过法国队厉害啊！
[–]prematurely_bald 39 指標 1 天前
It wasn’t that they didn’t take it seriously, it’s that they made a strategic decision to sit out this summer and play in Tokyo instead. Otherwise you’re going straight from FIBA into the nba season, and then to Tokyo with no rest/recovery. That’s just insane.
也不能说咱们之前就没把这比赛正经对待过，他们有些人夏天不打而是打东京奥运，这也是一种战略性选择。不然的话，你就得一直从FIBA赛事打到NBA开赛，然后又马不停蹄地参加奥运会。这可受不了。
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[–]ryu1337 769 指標 1 天前
Hot Take: The USA still have the best basketball players in the world
斗胆说一句：美国仍然有着世界上最强的篮球运动员！
[–]cTheDeezy 472 指標 1 天前
Wow what a take damn
哟，你可真特么敢说呢
[–]Lakers caramelfrap 7 指標 1 天前
Next he’s gonna say the NBA is on average better than the other leagues in the world
湖人球迷：怕他后面还要说，NBA的平均实力强于世界其他联赛。
[–]lukadoncic 200 指標 1 天前
Well yeah...But would you take Team USA U25 over Team World U25? I sure wouldn't.
行吧别闹了……要是以U25年龄段来说，你们会觉得美国U25强于世界联队的U25吗？你们肯定不会这么想。
[–]76ers colemanj74 256 指標 1 天前
Nope. Embiid/Jokic/Giannis/Doncic/Simmons is > than Mitchell/Booker/Tatum/Zion/Turner. And the world team isn't even using Towns, Porzingis, Ayton, Capela, Siakam, Murray, and Sabonis who all would have a case for the US squad.
What I will say is that I think there was a little lull in the US system and we'll be seeing some superstars come up on the next few years. I don't think this is some kind of death of US basketball
76人球迷：那倒是。恩比德、约基奇、字母哥、东契奇和西蒙斯这套阵容比米切尔、布克、塔图姆、锡安和特纳这套阵容强。而且世界队甚至还没算上唐斯、波尔津吉斯、艾顿、卡佩拉、西亚卡姆、穆雷和小萨博尼斯，不过你要说这些人为美国队打吧，也能说道说道。
我想表达的意思是，我觉得现在的美国篮球体系只是遇到人才输送的缓和期而已，今后几年咱们会看到一些超巨的涌现。我可不觉得这就到了美国篮球末日的地步了。
[–]Lakers funnyhandlehere 121 指標 1 天前
Embiid isn't under 25. Also, Towns was born in New Jersey.
湖人球迷：恩比德可不是25以下。再有啊，唐斯是在新泽西出生的。
[–]76ers colemanj74 64 指標 1 天前
Towns still plays for Dominican national team. And as far as I know u25 includes 25.
76人球迷：唐斯仍然代表着多米尼加国家队呢。据我所知，U25包含了25岁。
[–]Magic FultzShoulder 14 指標 1 天前
Jokic, Giannis, Doncic, Murray, Simmons
Ayton, Porzingis, Markkanen, Wiggins, SGA, Anunoby, Ntilikina
vs
Towns, Tatum, Mitchell, Booker, Fox
Turner, JJJ, Brown, Lavine, Russell, Collins, Zion
USA U25 would be the underdogs but they have a chance. If they're a +200 on the betting odds, I'd put money on them.
魔术球迷：约基奇、字母哥、马尔卡宁、穆雷、西蒙斯、艾顿、波尔津吉斯、维金斯、亚历山大、阿奴诺比、尼利基纳这帮人，对上唐斯、塔图姆、米切尔、布克、福克斯、特纳、小贾伦-杰克逊、拉文、拉塞尔、科林斯、锡安
美国U25应该不会被看好，不过他们也是有机会的。要是他们赢球的赔率是200多，那我会押他们。
[–]Wizards happyflappypancakes 70 指標 1 天前
Unfortunately for the world, they dont get to team up together in the olympics or world cup.
奇才球迷：可惜啊，对于世界队来说，他们不能在奥运会或者是世界杯上组队啊。
[–]FluidRelief3 87 指標 1 天前*
Around 70-80 of 100 best players in the world are american. Their domination is still huge.
世界上前一百的球员中大约有七八十人是美国人，美国的统治力依然很强大。
[–]Hawks codecrat 119 指標 1 天前
yeah but i think the trend is that bball is becoming more popular around the world
老鹰球迷：没错，不过我觉得大趋势在于篮球在世界范围内越来越受欢迎。
[–]Fluid Relief3 9 指標 1 天前
Probably yes but it's just a globalization. The best soccer leagues are more international too than they was in the past. We can say this basically about every other sport.
也许是吧，不过这就是全球化啊。比起以往，世界上最好的足球联赛也是更加国际化了。基本每个体育运动都是这么个情况。
[–]Raptors slaughterhouse7 19 指標 1 天前
of the big four north american sports basketball is quickly changing the most
猛龙球迷：北美四大类运动里，篮球地位的改变是最大的。
[–]Bucks teotsi 55 指標 1 天前
Basketball has always been huge in Europe man. Literally always.
雄鹿球迷：篮球在欧洲一直都很受欢迎啊，真的是一直都这样。
[–]Hawks codecrat 32 指標 1 天前
not in all parts of europe
老鹰球迷：并不是欧洲所有地方都受欢迎。
[–]France tnarref 49 指標 1 天前
Europe isn't a homogeneous area, many places in Southeastern and Eastern Europe have been crazy about it for a while, but in most of Europe, the sport's development only really started in the 90s. In the UK, it never did.
法国球迷：真不能把欧洲一概而论，欧洲东南部和东部的很多地方这些年对篮球很狂热，不过在欧洲大多数地区，篮球的发展其实才从90年代开始。而在英国，压根就没开始过。
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[–]Never StopDunking 8 指標 1 天前
This dude's about to be real pissed when he finds out basketball was invented by a Canadian.
要是楼主发现篮球是被一个加拿大人发明的，那他怕是要气炸咯。
[–]Celtics Soruu3 382 指標 1 天前
The NBA Champions aren’t actually Canadian, the team is just in Canada, but i see your point
凯尔特人球迷：不过今年的NBA冠军其实真不是加拿大人的，只是说球队在加拿大，不过我懂楼主的意思。
[–]Lakers ddddaaadddd 26 指標 1 天前
Is there even a single Canadian on the raptors?
湖人球迷：猛龙队里边儿真有加拿大人吗？
[–]Raptors EGin2016 45 指標 1 天前
Show some respect to the Montreal legend Chris Boucher
猛龙球迷：尊重下我蒙特利尔传奇克里斯-布歇！
[–]DBA_HAH 333 指標 1 天前
This is like declaring USA the best at hockey because US cities win the Cup.
就像是美国城市拿了斯坦利杯之后，宣称美国冰球世界第一一样。
[–]Knicks sonfoa 132 指標 1 天前
For real. A Canadian team hasn't won the Stanley Cup since 1993. That doesn't mean America is better at hockey.
尼克斯球迷：对啊，加拿大球队自打93年后就再也没染指斯坦利杯，可这并不意味着美国冰球更厉害。
[–]Raptors BlademasterFlash 40 指標 1 天前
Yeah the Raptors team is still mostly American players
猛龙球迷：是的，猛龙队里主要还是美国球员。
[–]Raptors DSV24 25 指標 1 天前
We’ve got some good international presence too. Gasol, Serge, OG,Siakim
猛龙球迷：咱们也有些不错的国际球员哦，小加、伊巴卡、阿奴诺比和西亚卡姆啊。
[–]Raptors BlademasterFlash 19 指標 1 天前
Oh for sure, one of the more diverse teams but still mostly American
猛龙球迷：这是肯定的，咱们是联盟比较多元化的球队之一，不过队里大多还是美国人。
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