【键盘侠】077能否进联盟前5|季后赛才是试金石
2019-11-26 18:27:33 来源：CCTV5在线直播
Luka Doncic is already a top 5 player.
东契奇已经是联盟前五球员。
I admit o had my doubt about his athleticism before he got drafted but man oh man this guy is insane. Taking into account injuries to Durant and Curry, based on current form I’d say he’s a top 5 player in the league. LeBron, Giannis, Harden, Kawhi and Doncic.
我承认，他选秀签我对他的运动能力表示过怀疑，可是这小哥太厉害了。考虑到杜兰特和库里的伤病，再基于目前球员们的状态，我觉得东契奇现在就是联盟实力前五的球员。詹姆斯、字母哥、哈登、小卡和东契奇。
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[–]Hawks AlVic40117560- 621 指標 10小時前
Yeah, I used to be in the “let’s wait and see” camp, but this is the most ridiculous shit I’ve ever seen. No player, let alone 20 year old, should be this consistently amazing scoring and playmaking every night. Hes legit had a single bad game. Every other game has been incredible. Even if he falls off, this run puts him there
老鹰球迷：对啊，我以前也喜欢说“等等看吧”，不过东契奇这表现真是前所未有地离奇。没有球员可以持续做到每场比赛都能把得分和组织做到如此出色，更别提他只有20岁了。他本赛季就一场比赛打得不好，其他比赛都是超凡的。即便他还差点火候，但是这波表现也能将他推到前五的位置。
[–]NBA TheAmbitious1 55 指標 10小時前
I think the absolute biggest test will be on Tuesday vs the Clippers. If he can play well again against the likes of PG, Kawhi, and Pat Bev, I don't care what anyone says this kid is legit this isn't just some hot streak.
我觉得最大的考验将是周二对快船的比赛。如果他能在面对乔治、莱昂纳德和贝弗利这些人的比赛里发挥出色，那我不管别人说啥，我反正是服了他，这话可不过分。
[–]Trailblazin15 111 指標 10小時前
He’s legit already no doubt even if he has a bad game against the clippers
毫无疑问的是，他的能力已经没得挑了，哪怕他对快船表现不好也是。
[–]Mavericks makami- 19 指標 9小時前
if he puts up 30/10 again next game regardless of whether we win or not, he's gotta be MVP frontrunner atm
独行侠球迷：下场比赛无论输赢，如果我还能打出30+10，那他绝对是MVP候选人的领跑者。
[–]Achilles HeelsHeal 234 指標 10小時前
Exactly. No one, not even Mavs fans predicted he would be this good. The word "ridiculous" completely defines Doncic because he has within 1 year established himself as an MVP candidate
确实。之前没有人，甚至是独行侠球迷，能预料到他会有这么厉害。“不可思议”这个词恰到好处地诠释了东契奇，因为在不到一年的时间里，他已经确立了自己MVP候选人的地位。
[–]Mavericks piratagitano 63 指標 9小時前
No, you are wrong. Plenty of people gave those takes last year and got downvoted saying we were high. I’ve watched Luka since he was 16 and what he did in Euroleague was not normal. And I mean not normal even by Euroleague standards. We knew he would dominate but people always like to take it slow so the let down isn’t as much if the dude fails. But this one isn’t going to fail.
独行侠球迷：不，你可说错了。上赛季就有很多人说东契奇会很厉害，但是被点踩了，还说我们兴奋过头了。东契奇16岁开始，我就看他比赛，他在欧洲联赛的表现真的不一般。即便不是欧洲的标准也是不一般的。我们之前就觉得他会在NBA打出统治力，但是很多人总喜欢说别急着吹，这样即便他没打出来也不会太失望。可是，这孩子不会水掉的。
[–]Turdies 154 指標 8小時前
I dont understand how 'noone thought he would be this good' WHEN HE FUCKING WON MVP OF EUROLEAGUE AS A BABY CHILD
我真是搞不懂了，他尼玛还是个小孩儿的时候就拿到了特么欧洲联赛的MVP，怎么会“没人觉得他会有这么厉害”？？？
[–]Mavericks ChrisCrossX 20 指標 8小時前
People simply have no respect for the euroleague because they never watched more than one highlight reel in their life.
独行侠球迷：大家就是对欧洲联赛缺乏尊重，因为他们这辈子对欧洲联赛的了解还不超过一场集锦。
[–]Spurs lebronathonsimmons 66 指標 8小時前
ik its easy to say for me as a dude who is just a fan of the nba but if i was an executive luke is a slam 1st. like lol its crazy to me that people think doing well in college ball for 1 yr > beating grown ass professionals who also make millions of dollars a year to play basketball and being the >mvp<
马刺球迷：我知道这话说起来容易，毕竟我只是个球迷，可如果我是球队的总经理，那东契奇就是状元。我感到无法理解的是，很多人居然觉得，在大学打了一年好球的球员比一个早就拿着几百万年薪、经过种种磨砺后拿到MVP的职业球员厉害……
[–]76ers Trelve16 51 指標 6小時前
Well to be fair, the Suns needed a Center and Ayton has some freakish physical tools. But I don't know what the fuck the Kings were doing.
76人球迷：咱也得客观点，毕竟当时太阳需要一个中锋，而艾顿的身体条件也是有点变态的。不过我是搞不懂特么国王在搞啥。
[–]paulyd191 26 指標 6小時前
I also think Trae being a POC/mixed is more marketable in ATL than Luka would have been as a white European, and the Hawks desperately needed someone marketable because we have so much trouble selling tickets. I think it makes sense to go with the sure thing marketing-wise.
而且我觉得从球市来考量，特雷-杨比东契奇这个欧洲白人更适合去老鹰，何况老鹰当时急需一个具有票房号召力的球员，因为老鹰的上座率之前很成问题。
[–]76ers Trelve16 38 指標 6小時前
I completely understand the Trae/Luka trade, and even if Trae turned out to be a bust I wouldn't blame the Hawks for making it
Trae has an electric playstyle and that sells, so the trade was completely warrented. It also isn't the first time a highly touted European prospect has fallen apart coming into the league, so in a way Trae was the safe choice to make, and the Hawks weren't in the position to make anything but the safe choice.
76人球迷：我非常能理解特雷-杨和东契奇这笔交易，哪怕吹羊最后水掉了，我也不觉得老鹰有错。
特雷-杨的打法很有活力，这是票房保障，所以这笔交易是有下限的。况且以前又不是没有过那种被吹捧得天花乱坠的欧洲新秀进入NBA之后水土不服的现象，所以老鹰选择吹羊是很保险的，这是老鹰唯一该做的。
[–]NoonKnight1 30 指標 5小時前
Yeah I mean Trae is no joke. This isn't a Sam Bowie situation.
对啊，我觉得特雷-杨也很厉害。他和东契奇的互换可不像是当年开拓者选择萨姆-鲍维。
[–]Spurs lebronathonsimmons 27 指標 5小時前
okay but having ur player have goat potential and going deep in the playoffs >> whatever demographic bonus youre getting from trae being mixed
马刺球迷：话虽如此，可你的球员具备史上最佳的天赋而且还能带队在季后赛走很远，这可远比特雷-杨带来的票房福利要好太多吧。
[–]paulyd191 17 指標 5小時前
If you have a stable fanbase, then yes. The issue is that the Hawks fanbase is very unstable, and large portions of Atlanta's basketball fanbase are fans of teams other than the Hawks.
如果你的球队球迷基础很稳固，那你说的没错。可问题是老鹰的球迷基础很不牢靠啊，有相当大一部分亚特兰大篮球迷不是老鹰的球迷。
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[–]MrDee97 149 指標 10小時前
He's playing better than Kawhi right now, no debate
无可争议的是，东契奇现在打的比小卡好
[–]76ers IThedont 10 指標 8小時前
Lmao you will see in the playoffs
76人球迷：哈哈哈，那你到了季后赛再看看
[–]Raptors yosoo 29 指標 8小時前
Sure, but isn't it generally known that Kawhi doesn't give a shit about the regular season? He just coasts to 27 pts a night and doesn't even play every game. Just wait until the playoffs.
猛龙球迷：东契奇现在确实打得比小卡好，可小卡是出了名地不在乎常规赛啊。他就划水也能拿到27分，甚至还不想每场都打。你就等到季后赛吧。
[–]radicalheadphone[ ] 281 指標 10小時前
Counterpoint: Luka is also coasting and playoff Luka will drop 98 pts 34 assists 23 rb
以此类推：东契奇也在划水，到了季后赛，他能单场拿到98分34助23板
[–]Mavericks makami- 74 指標 10小時前
anyone with eyes can tell this is the case
独行侠球迷：只要眼睛不瞎的人就能看到这个苗头
[–]Lakers urgetopurge 6 指標 8小時前
Prime Mozgov numbers I see
湖人球迷：我看到了巅峰莫兹戈夫的数据哦
[–]Nuggets clancydog4 26 指標 10小時前
Not in terms of resume at all, and I wouldn't rank him top 5. Lebron, KD, Curry, Harden, Kawhi (and arguably a few more) are all above him until they prove to no longer be (for more than 15 games) or Doncic does this sorta stuff in the playoffs.
But if I'm a GM starting a team, I think he'd be one of the top 5 on my big board. Easily. And not just cause he's young -- because of the impact he seems to bring to the game already. It's fucking insane.
掘金球迷：即便完全抛开过往履历，我也不会把东契奇排进前五。詹姆斯、杜兰特、库里、哈登和小卡都在东契奇前面，除非这些人后面打得不好，要不就是东契奇到了季后赛也能打出现在这种数据。
但是，如果我是一个要组建球队的总经理，我觉得他会是我优秀考虑的五个人之一。不仅仅是因为他年轻，而且还有他对比赛的影响力。真特么牛批啊。
[–]Mavericks chronoquairium 12 指標 10小時前
OP did say taking injuries into account.
独行侠球迷：楼主都说了要算上伤病。
[–]Pelicans ZOxZIONxBI[S] 15 指標 10小時前
If there was a draft now, I’d pick him 1st. He’s 20 years old and doing this shit. Could have 10 years of this. Guaranteed championships
鹈鹕球迷：如果现在有选秀，东契奇就是我的状元。才20岁就这么秀啊。还能再这么打10年啊，这可是冠军保障。
[–]tflgg7 12 指標 10小時前
That's the biggest upside to him, if you look at guys like curry/Gianni's/ad/Beal etc they took a couple years to be at the level they are. Luka did well last year and is amazing so far this year. Even if this is his ceiling and last year is his floor then it's insane what he can do with a good team around him.
这是东契奇最大的优势，看看库里、字母哥、戴维斯和比尔这些人，他们都是在联盟打磨了几年之后才达到如今的水准。东契奇上赛季就表现很好了，这赛季目前为止也是相当惊艳。哪怕这个赛季是他的上限，上赛季是他的下限，那给他匹配一支强队的话，他的表现也是不可思议的。
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[–]Raptors HabbySH 42 指標 10小時前
The way he's playing right now, 100% a top 5 player.
猛龙球迷：就东契奇目前的表现来说，100%联盟前五。
[–]Raptors stone____ 15 指標 9小時前
Top 10. Need to see it in the playoffs first, or at least 50 games before you guys try to throw him above curry, KD, AD and harden i don't care how white he is. #1 on the draft board though, thats for sure
猛龙球迷：前10吧。还得先看看季后赛呢，或者至少打了50场再说吧，不然你怎么好把他排在库里、阿杜、戴维斯和哈登的前面。不过他肯定是选秀上的第一，妥妥的。
[–]Raptors Therealomerali 48 指標 10小時前
If we exclude KD and Curry since they're injured then I agree.
猛龙球迷：如果咱们因为伤病把阿杜和库里剔除掉，那我同意他是前五。
[–]Grizzlies preddevils6 16 指標 7小時前
He's not better than AD or Gianni's either if you take out Curry and KD.
灰熊球迷：即便不算库里和阿杜，他也比不上戴维斯和字母哥吧
[–]Crazzy Chickn 69 指標 7小時前
Anthony Davis die?
是当戴维斯不在了吗？
[–]Lakers rdb_gaming 37 指標 5小時前
Its like defense doesn't exist in these people's dictionary.
湖人球迷：感觉有些人的字典里就没有防守这俩字啊
[–]Thunder DaaaPP 22 指標 4小時前
Im a Luka stan but AD is better then Luka simply due to defense.
雷霆球迷：我是东契奇的球迷，不过戴维斯目前就凭防守，也比东契奇厉害。
[–]vsk0506 12 指標 5小時前
It's amazing how much two way play is not valued properly. Anthony Davis is absolutely a top 5 player because of his defense and there is no reality in which you would rather have Harden over Kawhi in the playoffs. Harden is not a top 3 player, if you include defensive impact
很多攻防一体球员的价值都没有得到正确认识，这是很离谱的。戴维斯绝对是联盟前五，因为他防守顶级，而且到了季后赛里也没人会在哈登和小卡之间选择哈登。如果算上防守影响力，哈登不是联盟前三。
[–]Lakers baconlord612 8 指標 6小時前
Honestly I feel that embiid and ad are also better just because of their defensive impact.
湖人球迷：讲真，我觉得恩比德和戴维斯都比东契奇强，就因为他俩的防守。
[–][LAL] Jordan Hill DrumzRUs 51 指標 10小時前
Yea fuck the playoffs lets just rank players during November
湖人球迷：是，管特么的季后赛，咱们就在11月就给球员排名！！！
[–]xiutehcuhtli 37 指標 10小時前
Totally agree. So in order it would probably be:
Love
Lance
Javale
JR
Luka
Probably? That list feels about right.
完全赞同。所以按顺序来，应该是：
乐福、兰斯、麦基、JR、东契奇
这个榜单应该是对的吧
[–]Hugefootballfan44 10 指標 10小時前
Forgot Carmelo Anthony.
你忘了安东尼啊
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[–]NotADoctorFremulon 12 指標 7小時前
He's 20. And he's practically at 30/10/10.
I've been watching basketball since the late 80s and I've never seen a playing this young play this well... never.
And that includes Jordan. There are generational differences obviously. I wouldn't make a case of Luka being better than MJ, but this good this young?
This is just insane.
他才20岁，这就基本拿到30+10+10了。
老夫从80年代末开始看球，还从没看过哪个年轻人能打得这么好……从没。
包括乔丹。明显是有年代的差异，我不会说东契奇比乔丹厉害，可是这么年轻就这么秀？这也太了不起了吧
[–]Spurs DieMilkweed 12 指標 5小時前
Hell, Jordan was still at UNC averaging 16 a game at 20.
马刺球迷：嘿，20岁的乔丹那会儿还在北卡场均16分呢
[–]Mavericks BWalsh10 227 指標 10小時前
This 4th quarter was insane
独行侠球迷：打火箭的第四节东契奇表现太炸了。
[–]Thunder legendariusss 104 指標 10小時前
For fuckin real. Rockets only down 5 and he comes in, yah blink, and the mavs are up 20
雷霆球迷：特么还真是啊。火箭只落后五分的时候，东契奇表演了，眨眼间，独行侠领先达20分
[–]Pelicans ZOxZIONxBI[S] 46 指標 10小時前
Man is clutch af
鹈鹕球迷：这小子真尼玛大心脏啊
[–][DAL] Nick Van Exel pm_me_books_you_like 47 指標 9小時前
Luka had a 6 minute stretch where he looked like prime Lebron crossed with Manu Ginobli. Its fucking nuts.
独行侠球迷：昨天打火箭，东契奇连着六分钟的表现感觉像是巅峰詹姆斯加吉诺比利。真尼玛变态啊
[–]Lakers RVA_Rooster 20 指標 2小時前
Luka doesn't look like anyone we've seen before. He's got the ball on a string, but not flashy like Kyrie, he has the BBIQ of Bron but not as athletic but a better raw scorer and shooter (at this point). Luka is the first Luka. Absolutely my 2nd favorite player behind Bron.
湖人球迷：东契奇不像我们之前见过的任何球员。他控球没有欧文那么华丽，具备詹姆斯那么高的球商，但运动天赋没得比，不过纯得分和投射能力更强。东契奇是第一个东契奇，他就是詹姆斯之外我最喜欢的球员。
[–]Slovenian Stallion 176 指標 9小時前
Luka being a prodigy is what we in Europe know for 3+ years now, except even us Luka fans had no idea he could literally go supernova in season 2 already.
斯洛文尼亚球迷：三年前他就是欧洲神童了，只是连我们这帮独行侠球迷都没想到他进入联盟的第二个赛季就能这么超神。
[–]Pistons hokagesamatobirama 59 指標 9小時前
Madrid gave him some Cristiano juice.
活塞球迷：马德里给了他一些C罗的特质啊
[–]jpage77 50 指標 7小時前
Tbf Doncic is more Messi levels of prodigy
Ronaldo took a longer time to reach superhuman levels
说实话，东契奇的天赋更像是梅西那种级别的。
C罗可是花了更长的时间才达到非人级别。
[–]76ers sweetthatscool 34 指標 10小時前
Can't wait to see this kid in the playoffs.
76人球迷：迫不及待想看这小子打季后赛了。
[–]bobberyrob 8 指標 10小時前
I'd wait for how well he does in the playoffs, tbh. Since it's pretty much the reason why Harden isn't top 1 even though he's been looking like that for the past few regular seasons.
我就等着看他在季后赛能有多厉害。毕竟即便是哈登这种过去几个赛季常规赛表现爆炸的球员也不是大家心中的第一人，基本就是因为他的季后赛表现拖后腿。
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