【键盘侠】手握LBJ 有失更有得|为冠军 梭哈一把又何妨！
2020-09-30 14:09:04 来源：CCTV5在线直播
Zach Lowe: "When you get Lebron James..Coaches will get fired, Draft Picks/Young Players will get traded to get him his help, but Lebron will take you to the Finals (barring any injuries). He will not lose in the Conference Finals, he will not have a blip in the Second Round..that's the payout."
NBA名记Zach Lowe日前在个人的播客节目中表示：“当你得到詹姆斯之后……主教练会被炒，选秀签和年轻人会被交易出去换回詹姆斯的帮手，不过老詹能带队打进总决赛。他不会在分区决赛输球，也不会在二轮拉胯……这就是回报。”
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[–]Nuggets MileHighCam 3655 指標 7小時前
Gotta be worth it right?.. my team never even been to the finals smh
掘金球迷：肯定很值得吧？……想我掘金还从未进过总决赛呢，唉
[–]Raptors iDareToDream 21 指標 5小時前
You guys are on an upwards trajectory though and have been to the WCF, what, twice in the last 3 years? You're on the right path and you have 2 stars/superstars. It's not unreasonable to think Denver could be in the NBA finals at some point in the next 5 years given the youth of your core and the talent.
猛龙球迷：不过你们上升势头明显啊，而且貌似过去三年还进过两次西决？你们走在正确的道路上，而且还有两个球星。假如你掘金未来五年哪天夺冠了，那也是合情合理啊，毕竟有一帮天赋满满的年轻核心团队。
[–]Nuggets MileHighCam 27 指標 4小時前
Nah last year was 2nd round exit to portland.. but yes i agree we are on the upward trajectory.. but we would already be the best in the west if LA teams couldn't buy free agents.. i don't see that changing any time soon
掘金球迷：不，上赛季我们第二轮就被波特兰干出局了……不过我同意你说的我们处于上升期……假如洛城双雄不能引进大牌自由人的话，那我们这会儿已经是西部最强了……可我觉得现在这个格局短期内是不会有任何改变了。
[–]Lakers jackjack320455 30 指標 4小時前
If it ends with a ring, I'm sure it's all worth it. I think Cavs fans can attest to that.
湖人球迷：如果我湖本赛季最终夺冠了，那我觉得一切都挺值得的。骑士球迷应该能证实这一点。
[–]Lakers EpicMusic13 1458 指標 6小時前*
And yet they laugh at him being 3-6. Laugh all you want. All i see is 9, now 10, finals appearances over the last 10 years. Tell me who else has that except those 2-3 HOFs. Yall can go f yourselves
湖人球迷：居然还有人嘲讽老詹总决赛3胜6负的战绩，你们想咋嘲笑随意。反正我就看得到他9次打总决赛，现在是第十次了。除了那两三个名人堂传奇，倒是说说还有谁能做到这一点。黑子都滚粗吧！
[–]Trailblazin15 65 指標 5小時前*
Right. All I see is that he gave his team 9 incoming 10 times to have a chance to win it all. He may have one that choked and some teams that were overmatched over his but he got you there. That’s all you can ask for a franchise player
对的，我只看得到老詹让他的球队有10次争冠的机会。或许其中有一次掉过链子，或许有些决赛对手确实实力更强，但他好歹把球队带进总决赛了啊。这不就是你对球队当家球星的要求嘛。
[–]Cavaliers mashed_poetatoe 113 指標 5小時前
The 3-6 argument is the dumbest one I ever heard. LeBron went to 8 consecutive finals. 2007, 2015, 2017 and 2018 don’t even make sense to use as an argument. The only finals he should be flamed for is 2011.
骑士球迷：3胜6负的嘲讽是我听过最蠢的黑法。老詹连续8年打进总决赛。07、15、17和18年的失利甚至都没啥可黑的好吗，唯一一次他应该背锅的也就是11年。
[–]Heat heat13 43 指標 4小時前
I agree 2011 is his only blemish in the NBA finals as far as I’m concerned
热火球迷：我同意，11年那次是他总决赛生涯的唯一污点。
[–]Taggy2087 729 指標 4小時前
My favorite team has only won 2 playoff series and they both happened in the same year. SEVEN MOTHER FUCKING TEEN YEARS AGO.
我喜欢的球队就赢过两轮系列赛，还是在同一个赛季。那特么都17年前了啊！！！
[–]Timberwolves yeetith_thy_skeetith 14 指標 3小時前
Ahhh, fellow timberwolves fan I see
森林狼球迷：哦~原来是我狼球迷
[–]Magic Clearinghaus 55 指標 3小時前
That Wolves team was so much fun too. KG had his best teammates in Cassell and Spree and I thought they'd run it back the next year.
魔术球迷：那支森林狼还是挺好看的。加内特当时遇到了卡塞尔和斯普雷维尔这俩最强队友，我还以为他们第二年能卷土重来的。
[–]Timberwolves K1ng_K0ng 522 指標 5小時前
sports reporters are obsessed with the idea of building and rebuilding franchises even though they never last for more than a few years and without a superstar it all amounts to a few playoff wins
theres already people talking about how amazing Denver is going to be for years to come but theyre just as likely to lose to an elite team in the West the next few times and then dissolve
哪怕有些球队明明没有超巨，强势表现也就持续那么一两个赛季，大概就在季后赛赢了那么几场球，但那些体育记者还是很喜欢造声势、炒话题。
已经有很多人在谈论掘金接下来几个赛季会多么多么厉害，可是他们在西部再输几次顶级强队、然后解体的可能性同样不小啊。
[–]Scalpum 267 指標 5小時前
Yup. Nothing is guaranteed. OKC was going to win countless championships with that home built core.
是的。没有什么是板上钉钉的。当年雷霆那一帮本土核心，大家还以为他们可以冠军拿到手软呢。
[–]return_of_the_ring 64 指標 3小時前
This is what I point to. OKC could have become what GSW became later. But, fate had other ideas.
我就是这个意思。雷霆当初本可以成为后来的那支勇士。然而，命运自有安排。
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[–]Lakers HeroSwrd 3666 指標 7小時前
Considering that the only true loss in this process was BI, we'll take it. The aforementioned coach fired was checks notes Luke fucking Walton lmao.
湖人球迷：得到老詹之后我们唯一的损失其实只有英格拉姆，所以咱们都可以接受。楼主提到的教练被炒不过是特么的卢克-沃顿嘛，哈哈哈哈哈
[–]Listen Bruv 280 指標 6小時前
The whole point of the league is to win titles. I don’t understand this need to hold on to future talent when YOU HAVE A PROVEN TALENT WHO CAN WIN YOU A RING.
Yes you mortgage a little bit of your future but if you have the chance to make it to the Conference Finals or Finals you take it every time.
I’m sick of this “but our assets could turn into something!!” mentality. The point of the game is to win as much as you can as soon as you can. If you can get a player to help you do that (see: Cavs in 2016; Kawhi in 2019), you pull the trigger and don’t look back.
联盟的全部意义就是拿冠军。当你拿到一个可以帮你争冠的熟男超巨之后，还有啥必要指望那些所谓的未来天赋呢？
是，你为他预支了一点球队的未来，可你得到了进分区决赛甚至是总决赛的机会啊，傻子都知道怎么选。
我真是受够了那些“可是我们这些年轻资产将来说不定能成大事！”的幻想。这项竞技运动的意义就是尽快且尽力拿冠军啊。如果你可以得到这种球员，那就赶紧行动，别瞻前顾后的！
[–][LAL] Kobe Bryant howdoesilogin 67 指標 5小時前
this 100% I honestly dont understand why people treat this like the stock exchange like accumulating assets will turn into a championship in an of itself.
championship is usually a once in a decade (or even once in a few decades) opportunity for a franchise you should absolutely be going all in for that
湖人球迷：说得完全正确。我就搞不懂了，为啥总有人觉得堆积一帮潜力股过后将来能兑换冠军呢，这又不是炒股。
对于一支球队而言，冠军通常是十年一遇的机会，碰到了当然要梭哈啊。
[–]Rltake 132 指標 5小時前
There’s a lot more busts than superstars..
Draft picks are just lottery tickets. It’s often better to trade draft picks for a proven player that will complement your team, than gamble and hope a miracle happens
潜力股水掉的比成为超巨的多得多……
选秀签就是乐透门票。用选秀签去换一个可以补强球队的熟男球星，总好过豪赌新秀、寄希望于奇迹发生。
[–]Suns PositiveWestern 77 指標 4小時前
But those picks could be anyone, they might be as good as Lebron James!
太阳球迷：可是那些选秀签充满不确定性啊，说不定就出了个詹姆斯呢！
[–][CHI] Derrick Rose YoungSimba20 19 指標 4小時前
More likely they're Greg Oden and Anthony Bennett.
公牛球迷：更可能是奥登或者本内特。
[–][LAL] Shaquille O'Neal GoSuckYouMudda 1363 指標 6小時前
Us nabbing Vogel as not the first or 2nd BUT THIRD OPTION. Is a blessing
湖人球迷：沃格尔当时不是我湖的第一或第二选择，只是第三选择！简直是恩赐。
[–]Hawks kali_uchis_dad 403 指標 6小時前
What other coaches were the Lakers targetting? Tyronn Lue?
老鹰球迷：你湖当时的其他目标是啥？泰伦-卢？
[–]JayEmSea1 77 指標 6小時前
Ty Lue and Monty Williams. Williams spurned the Lakers to take the Suns job and then the Lakers lowballed Lue so he walked.
卢和蒙蒂-威廉姆斯。威廉姆斯瞧不上我湖去了太阳，然后我湖怠慢了卢，把他气跑了。
[–]Lakers spenrose22 41 指標 5小時前
Didn’t really lowball him, he was asking for a 5 year contract which is long.
湖人球迷：咱还真没怠慢卢，他当时想要一份五年长约，这也太多了吧。
[–]Un_cs 740 指標 6小時前
Yes, there was an offer for ty lue but he rejected it. Probably because the deal was too short. Hilarious that people thought that if the Lakers did poorly, Vogel would get fired as a scapegoat for Jason kidd to take over. Meanwhile doc gets fired.
确实，当时湖人找过卢，但是被他拒绝了。或许是因为那份合约太短了。有意思的是，去年还有人幻想要是湖人打得不好，沃格尔就会被当做背锅侠炒掉，然后基德上位。结果里弗斯倒是下课了。
[–]reddishMVP 73 指標 5小時前
I mean... If the Lakers got bounced by the nuggets in the 2nd round, I'm sure vogel would be in the hot seat as well
我觉着吧……要是第二轮被掘金翻盘的是你湖，那沃格尔的日子肯定也不好过。
[–]NBA General-Kn0wledge 52 指標 5小時前
I still don't get this. What does Ty Lue bring to a team besides being tight with Lebron? I've never seen any evidence that he's actually a good coach and it just seems he rode the coattails of Lebron's one Cleveland ring
我还是没搞明白，泰伦-卢除了和老詹搞好关系还有啥用？我还真没发现他有啥过人之处，骑士夺冠貌似也是他沾了老詹的光。
[–]Knicks Marcusreddit_ 38 指標 4小時前
Kevin Love spoke highly of Ty Lue and said he was really good at getting them prepared
尼克斯球迷：乐福对他评价很高哦，说他确实很擅长让大家进入备战状态。
[–]Bucks uristmcderp 26 指標 4小時前
Some coaches are "good" in the sense they have smart strategies and develop young players. Other coaches are "good" in the sense they keep superstar egos in check and get everyone to work together.
雄鹿球迷：有些教练好就好在他们会玩战术，还能培养年轻人。另外一些教练就好在他们可以照顾到手下超巨的自我感受，还能让大家并肩战斗。
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[–]Lakers b1indsamurai 1012 指標 7小時前
Worth it
湖人球迷：值啊！
[–]Cavaliers bgptcp179 21 指標 5小時前
Yeah, as a Cavs fan it was worth it. I’ll probably still be wearing my 2016 championship shirt when the Cavs are still in the lottery for the next 20 years, but I don’t care. Love LBJ forever for getting us one chip.
骑士球迷：没错，本骑蜜表示很值。哪怕我骑今后20年都在乐透区鬼混，或许我依然会穿着16年的冠军衫，但是我不在乎。永远喜爱老詹，因为他帮我们拿了一个冠军。
[–]Raptors devndub 587 指標 7小時前
LeBron doesn't force the team to be gutted, he forces the team to be competitive. If you're not putting winning pieces around LeBron that's on you.
猛龙球迷：詹姆斯并没有强迫球队让人失望，而是逼着球队提高竞争力。如果你没有围绕詹姆斯填补争冠拼图，那责任在你。
[–]Raptors notaRaptorfan 171 指標 7小時前
The reason to cheer for your team is ultimately for the chance that your team becomes good enough to make the finals and win a championship. Having LeBron on your team gives you that opportunity pretty much every season he's on your team so as a business, as a fan, that's really all you can ask for. After he leaves, things will suck no questions, but you go all in when the opportunity presents itself.
猛龙球迷：咱们为主队欢呼的终极理由就是：一个主队强大到可以进总决赛争冠的机会。有了詹姆斯就等于得到了这个机会，基本每个赛季都是，这不就是球迷的唯一要求嘛。等他离开之后，一切肯定都会分崩离析，不过机会来临时你就得孤注一掷。
[–]Lakers S4ikou 102 指標 6小時前
Being a Lakers fan I can assure you that I wouldn't trade those last two rings Kobe won just to be contenders the last 10 years. It's absolutely worth it to do whatever it takes to give LeBron a chance to win it now.
湖人球迷：本湖蜜可以向你保证，哪怕可以用科比当年为我湖拿的最后两个冠军去换取过去十年的强势，我也不干。现在不惜一切代价让老詹有机会带队夺冠，绝对是很值得的。
[–]Supersonics TrashBagMan1 331 指標 7小時前
Since you're a Lakers fan, wanted to ask you - how open are you about trading Danny Green and/or Kyle Kuzma in the next off-season if you were look to upgrade the roster?
超音速球迷：既然你是湖蜜，那我想问问——如果你们下赛季要升级阵容，那你对交易丹尼-格林或库兹马持什么态度呢？
[–]Lakers b1indsamurai 126 指標 7小時前
They're both amazing players but if you insist...
湖人球迷：他俩都很不错，不过如果你坚持要的话……
[–]Raptors notaRaptorfan 783 指標 7小時前
Hi, were just calling cause we're interested in Dan---
YES TAKE HIM
猛龙球迷：“嗨，打电话过来是因为我们有兴趣引进丹……”
“好！拿去吧！”
[–]Lakers MySweatyTh1ghs 125 指標 7小時前
So if we are gonna trade both these players the first thing I need is names. Danny Green has shot 36.7% in the season and 36.4% in the playoffs from 3 on ~5 attempts while playing good team defense but can be exposed easily 1 on 1 and is no longer a sniper when open from 3. Kuzma has shot 31.6% from 3 in the season and 31.5% on ~4 attempts but is a consistent cutter and is tall (6'8") while showing some signs of life of defense (see Portland and Houston series) but at the same time can look extremely helpless and has numerous question about his defensive IQ and handles on the ball. If you have any names I'd like to hear.
湖人球迷：如果我湖要交易他俩的话，那我得先知道换来的人是谁。格林常规赛三分命中率是36.7%，季后赛是36.4%，场均出手5次，团队防守又很不错，不过他的盯人防守很容易被针对，而且空位三分也不是那个神射了。库兹马常规赛三分命中率31.6%，季后赛31.5%，场均出手4次，不过他善于空切又人高马大的，并且防守端还有点开窍的迹象，可是呢，他有时真的是极其废柴，防守球商和持球技术也是很成问题。如果你能说换谁，我倒想听听。
[–]Trail Blazers johnsom3 87 指標 5小時前
I really dont understand the hate for both of them. Green is overpaid but hes useful and Kuzma is a great asset off the bench. Let this sub or Twitter tell it and you would think they are unplayable.
开拓者球迷：其实我真不能理解为啥大家这么反感他俩。格林确实是溢价的，不过他也有用，而且库兹马也是个不错的替补资产。光看这个论坛和推特那些喷子的话，你还以为他俩打不上球呢。
[–]coffeemakespoopoo 87 指標 6小時前
Kuzma makes pennies so there is no reason to trade him, just pray he improves with one more offseason before letting him go in free agency the year after if not.
Green isn't even terrible, he's the perfect type of role player to put around LeBron. While his 3's have been inconsistent he's still a good defender just don't ever let him dribble the ball.
Lakers are going to run it back next season with the way contracts are structured, it's the year after that will have huge moves(only Bron/AD will be on contract).
库兹马赚得又不多，没理由送走他，还是祈祷他再过一个休赛期能进步吧，如果还是不行再让他进入自由市场也不晚啊。
格林还真算不上很菜，他是詹姆斯身边的完美配角。虽说三分不稳定，但防守还是很强啊，别让他运球就行。
湖人下赛季依然强势，不过第三年就会有大动作了。
[–]Lakers WorstBalloonEU 54 指標 6小時前*
Lebron even has a player option on his last year 21-22, so if he feels like he wants more firepower at that point, he can just take a bit less money at that point to make sure the team is loaded up. Not that anyone would expect him to do that.
湖人球迷：詹姆斯在21/22赛季是球员选项，所以如果他到时候认为球队要扩充实力，那他可以少拿一丢丢，从而保证球队兵多将广啊。不过咱也不能指着他这么做。
[–]Lakers yardplayfaction 30 指標 5小時前
That’s fine. He will keep the lakers relevant. Lakers fans want lebron to retire a laker
湖人球迷：也可以啊。反正他会留在我湖。湖蜜希望他在这里退役。
[–]Lakers WorstBalloonEU 17 指標 5小時前
Agreed, hopefully he stays for as long as he wants to keep playing. I wholeheartedly welcome the idea of watching him chase Kareem's point record as a Laker.
湖人球迷：同意，只要他还想打，那就希望他留在我湖。我是满心期待着他在湖人打破贾巴尔的历史总得分纪录。
[–]coffeemakespoopoo 48 指標 6小時前
Bron is opting out and taking a full 5 year max, the dude wants to be a billionaire + team owner, needs that cash. Who the fuck knows though, he might be worth that money even at age 38-40 lol.
老詹会跳出合约，签下一份五年顶薪的，这家伙想做亿万富翁当球队老板啊，他需要钱。不过这特么谁算得准呢，或许他到了38到40岁还是值那个价，哈哈哈哈
[–]Rockets Dudedude88 20 指標 6小時前
I dont think LBJ will ever be rich enough to own an NBA franchise. The average franchise is valued at 2-3 billion. Lebron is wealthy but i doubt he will ever make 2 billion. Hell probably make 1 billion over his lifetime though.
火箭球迷：我觉得老詹永远都不可能富有到可以拥有一支NBA球队的地步。联盟球队的平均估值是20到30个亿。詹姆斯的确有钱，可我觉得他赚不到20个亿。不过他这辈子赚到10亿还真有可能。
[–]Lakers WorstBalloonEU 27 指標 5小時前
Yeah, more likely to do it with some ownership group if he really wants to do it. Prices of teams have kind of skyrocketed.
湖人球迷：是啊，他要是真想凑热闹，更可能持有一些股份。毕竟现在的球队价值已经飞涨了。
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[–]Lakers ExtremelyPetty 786 指標 7小時前
What did it cost?
Everything.
湖人球迷：代价是什么？
一切。
[–]Reign Man616 35 指標 7小時前
Nope, the Lakers kept the best piece of the young core, Alex Caruso
不啊，你湖留住了那帮年轻核心里的最强拼图——卡鲁索。
[–]donotfukwitme 63 指標 7小時前
Lmao hart and Ingram and Lonzo but they added green Bradley rondo AD and Howard. Well worth it imo. Most of those guys don’t come if Bron ain’t there.
哈哈哈哈哈，失去了哈特、莺歌和鲍尔，不过加入了格林、布拉德利、隆多、戴维斯和霍华德。我觉得很划算。如果老詹不在的话，这些人大多数是不会来的。
[–]dropdatdurkadurk 962 指標 7小時前
If the trade off for the 2016 Cavs title was 10 years of 25 win seasons in the following years any rational Cavs fan would still take it.
如果说16年骑士为了夺冠所做的交易，换来的是此后10年的每个赛季25胜，那我觉得任何理智的骑蜜都能接受。
[–]Cavaliers Rkenne16 122 指標 7小時前
Hell, Who’s the best young guy that Lebron ended up costing us? Joe Harris? Kyrie was going to Kyrie. I don’t think that’s on Lebron. Wiggins is Wiggins. Waiters is Wiggins with a personality disorder. Bennet exists.
骑士球迷：擦，当年我骑为夺冠失去的最强年轻人是个啥人物呢？乔-哈里斯？欧文毕竟是欧文嘛。我觉得所谓的失去年轻资产算不到老詹头上。维金斯也就是维金斯。维特斯更是有性格障碍的维金斯。本内特存在过……
[–]Cavaliers Cavshomie8 518 指標 7小時前
2016 was legendary, I totally don’t mind the rest for that.
骑士球迷：2016年堪称传奇，其他的我完全不在乎。
[–]Raptors therealJayT 71 指標 5小時前*
"When you get Paul George...coaches will get fired. Draft picks(multiple) /young players will get traded..but Paul will not take you to the finals. He will lose in the conference semi finals, and will definitely have a blip in the second round..thats the payout"
猛龙球迷：“当你得到乔治之后……主教练会被炒，选秀签和年轻人会被交易出去换回乔治的帮手，不过乔治不能带队打进总决赛。他在分区半决赛输球，也肯定会在二轮拉胯……这就是回报！”
[–]Lakers Bladex20 44 指標 5小時前
Even if Lakers win this championship and for whatever reason AD walks like Kawhi did, That trade was still worth it
湖人球迷：哪怕我湖这赛季夺冠之后，戴维斯也像去年的小卡一样走人，去年的那笔交易也是值得的。
[–]Lakers gbdarknight77 22 指標 4小時前
Man, idk why AD would leave. He loves LeBron and the LA family has fully embraced him. He’s also getting all the knowledge and leadership tips that Bron tried to give to Kyrie.
Bron is also, for the first time in 8 years, playing within a system. It’s subtle but when rondo is the primary ball handler, you can see rondo calling the plays and LeBron following in the offense and fitting in the offensive scheme
湖人球迷：戴维斯会不会走人还真不好说。他很细化老詹，而且洛城这个大家庭也完全接纳了他。他也得到了当年欧文那样被老詹传授领导力的机会。
而且詹姆斯也是8年里首次在体系内打球。虽说不明显，不过当隆多主控的时候，你可以看到他喊战术，而老詹则听从指挥融入到进攻体系之内。
[–]Hornets HighThaiGuy 279 指標 7小時前
LeBron can sign a one year contract with a different team each year and get to the finals every time.
黄蜂球迷：老詹可以每个赛季和不同球队签一份一年合约，然后每次都能进总决赛、
[–]Mavericks DreadSteed 57 指標 4小時前
I would pay whatever amount of money for tickets if he came to the Mavs for a year.
独行侠球迷：要是他来我牛打一个赛季，不管门票多贵，我都会花钱去看。
[–]Lakers herooftime7 12 指標 5小時前
i'm going to miss lebron so much when he retires
湖人球迷：等到老詹退役之后，我会好想他的。
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